Alpine route (german alpine road)

[gazza5]

Afternoon all,

We are going to minuch and on the way back I wanted to sample some of the alpine route.

We have a over night stay in Kaiserslautern booked beofre returning home, so was thinking if trying to get a loop from munich down to the alpine route, then up (maybe from Fussen) to Kaiserslautern, I'm not overly bothered how long I'm on the alpine route but want to do some of it as that might be our next trip, then drive to some of the swiss alps etc.

We are going end of June. Any bits of the german alpine route we should make sure we do, failing that, was just going to look at google maps and find some reasonable roads to drive.

Any tips always appreciated as never been to this part before (never been past stuttgart)

[skidskid]

I live over just over the border in Austria. The whole route is a nice drive and there isnt too much difference between the areas. Lots of lakes, lots of nice places to see and eat with the only downside being there arent any real mountain passes. As an addition to a Munich trip its well worth it but for a stand alone trip the Swiss passes would be better.

Places to visit would be the Disney (Neuschwanstein) castle and if you're leaving the route at Fussen a stop in Ulm is recommended on your way to the overnight stop. This restaurant in Ulm is very nice for fish and you can eat outdoors on the bridge....https://goo.gl/maps/aXam1WP3m3eMioAF8

[DrJNA]

I would say going from Munich to Kaiserslautern via the Alps is a very big detour and to do the Alpine passes justice you'll need a good few days. Depending on the scope of what you want really you could drop down into Austria, and head into Switzerland to do some of the top passes like Furka, Susten, Gotthard and Oberalp stop over in Lucerne which is beautiful.

The route up from Lucerne to Kaiserslautern will also be fantastic as you will be able to pass through the Black forest - but make sure you avoid the famous Bundesstraße 500, which is super picturesque, but slow and not really a drivers road. Take the small roads and the black forest is on par with some of the Alpine passes (I live just north of the Black forest, so maybe I'm a bit biased), you also don't quite have to worry about the Swiss police! A great stop on the Schwarzwald is Freiburg, or you could even pop across the border to Strasbourg.

[gazza5]

Thanks chaps, noted the advice.

I did have a longer route planned, even looked at seeing Hitlers place (now restaurant), but then don't really fancy the 6 hour trek to our current booked hotel.

[twibs]

DrJNA said:

I would say going from Munich to Kaiserslautern via the Alps is a very big detour and to do the Alpine passes justice you'll need a good few days. Depending on the scope of what you want really you could drop down into Austria, and head into Switzerland to do some of the top passes like Furka, Susten, Gotthard and Oberalp stop over in Lucerne which is beautiful.

The route up from Lucerne to Kaiserslautern will also be fantastic as you will be able to pass through the Black forest - but make sure you avoid the famous Bundesstraße 500, which is super picturesque, but slow and not really a drivers road. Take the small roads and the black forest is on par with some of the Alpine passes (I live just north of the Black forest, so maybe I'm a bit biased), you also don't quite have to worry about the Swiss police! A great stop on the Schwarzwald is Freiburg, or you could even pop across the border to Strasbourg.

Can the 500 from colmar to baden baden be beaten by other routes ??

[plenty]

twibs said:

DrJNA said:

I would say going from Munich to Kaiserslautern via the Alps is a very big detour and to do the Alpine passes justice you'll need a good few days. Depending on the scope of what you want really you could drop down into Austria, and head into Switzerland to do some of the top passes like Furka, Susten, Gotthard and Oberalp stop over in Lucerne which is beautiful.

The route up from Lucerne to Kaiserslautern will also be fantastic as you will be able to pass through the Black forest - but make sure you avoid the famous Bundesstraße 500, which is super picturesque, but slow and not really a drivers road. Take the small roads and the black forest is on par with some of the Alpine passes (I live just north of the Black forest, so maybe I'm a bit biased), you also don't quite have to worry about the Swiss police! A great stop on the Schwarzwald is Freiburg, or you could even pop across the border to Strasbourg.

Can the 500 from colmar to baden baden be beaten by other routes ??

As the quoted post says, the B500 is simply too busy to be fun in a car, especially the busy northern stretch. Its fame was built on bikers who have less trouble overtaking.

Almost any other route through the Black Forest will be better.

[Jim1064]

Drive this

https://www.grossglockner.at/gg/en/index

[DrJNA]

plenty said:

twibs said:

DrJNA said:

I would say going from Munich to Kaiserslautern via the Alps is a very big detour and to do the Alpine passes justice you'll need a good few days. Depending on the scope of what you want really you could drop down into Austria, and head into Switzerland to do some of the top passes like Furka, Susten, Gotthard and Oberalp stop over in Lucerne which is beautiful.

The route up from Lucerne to Kaiserslautern will also be fantastic as you will be able to pass through the Black forest - but make sure you avoid the famous Bundesstraße 500, which is super picturesque, but slow and not really a drivers road. Take the small roads and the black forest is on par with some of the Alpine passes (I live just north of the Black forest, so maybe I'm a bit biased), you also don't quite have to worry about the Swiss police! A great stop on the Schwarzwald is Freiburg, or you could even pop across the border to Strasbourg.

Can the 500 from colmar to baden baden be beaten by other routes ??

As the quoted post says, the B500 is simply too busy to be fun in a car, especially the busy northern stretch. Its fame was built on bikers who have less trouble overtaking.

Almost any other route through the Black Forest will be better.

Most of the B500 has a 70kph speed limit now, and you'll be slowing every kilometre to 50kph for every junction. You also share the road with lorries and general traffic. From Colmar to Baden Baden, I'd suggest a route like this - link

[NSNO]

DrJNA said:

I would say going from Munich to Kaiserslautern via the Alps is a very big detour and to do the Alpine passes justice you'll need a good few days. Depending on the scope of what you want really you could drop down into Austria, and head into Switzerland to do some of the top passes like Furka, Susten, Gotthard and Oberalp stop over in Lucerne which is beautiful.

The route up from Lucerne to Kaiserslautern will also be fantastic as you will be able to pass through the Black forest - but make sure you avoid the famous Bundesstraße 500, which is super picturesque, but slow and not really a drivers road. Take the small roads and the black forest is on par with some of the Alpine passes (I live just north of the Black forest, so maybe I'm a bit biased), you also don't quite have to worry about the Swiss police! A great stop on the Schwarzwald is Freiburg, or you could even pop across the border to Strasbourg.

I would also echo the beauty of the black forest and Freiburg itself is a very picturesque city with a nice laid back vibe. If staying in the area, recommend trying a good schnitzel with pommes/spätzle, gravy and the salads are really good all paired a the local beer.

[twibs]

DrJNA said:

plenty said:

twibs said:

DrJNA said:

I would say going from Munich to Kaiserslautern via the Alps is a very big detour and to do the Alpine passes justice you'll need a good few days. Depending on the scope of what you want really you could drop down into Austria, and head into Switzerland to do some of the top passes like Furka, Susten, Gotthard and Oberalp stop over in Lucerne which is beautiful.

The route up from Lucerne to Kaiserslautern will also be fantastic as you will be able to pass through the Black forest - but make sure you avoid the famous Bundesstraße 500, which is super picturesque, but slow and not really a drivers road. Take the small roads and the black forest is on par with some of the Alpine passes (I live just north of the Black forest, so maybe I'm a bit biased), you also don't quite have to worry about the Swiss police! A great stop on the Schwarzwald is Freiburg, or you could even pop across the border to Strasbourg.

Can the 500 from colmar to baden baden be beaten by other routes ??

As the quoted post says, the B500 is simply too busy to be fun in a car, especially the busy northern stretch. Its fame was built on bikers who have less trouble overtaking.

Almost any other route through the Black Forest will be better.

Most of the B500 has a 70kph speed limit now, and you'll be slowing every kilometre to 50kph for every junction. You also share the road with lorries and general traffic. From Colmar to Baden Baden, I'd suggest a route like this - link

Must be pretty bad ! Thanks