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Last year a large stretch of the A17 near Sleaford was just bits flying everywhere 
It had been resurfaced the day before. It was so bad it should have been closed completely, but of course as it's the weekend nobody (Police?) would bother. At least Lincolnshire Highways admitted the contractor had failed and confirmed they would be doing it again (properly) at no additional cost to the public. If that happened of course!
It had been resurfaced the day before. It was so bad it should have been closed completely, but of course as it's the weekend nobody (Police?) would bother. At least Lincolnshire Highways admitted the contractor had failed and confirmed they would be doing it again (properly) at no additional cost to the public. If that happened of course!808 Estate said:
A local road to me has recently been given a coating of glue and cat litter. Already the join between the 2 lanes is starting to open up, there are bits dug out where vehicles brake for the speed humps and all the ironworks are now below the road surface.
Please tell those responsible, otherwise they will claim they never knew. This, of course, suggests they don't check their's or their contractors work after completion! If challenged they say 'we regularly check the road' ........... Strange if lodging the damage claim the 'checking' is dated the day before the event!This has been going on for years and many pothole victims have been denied legal redress due to lies and obfuscation! Hmm.... shades of PO mentality there I think! This ongoing travesty of justice will maybe be the next scandal to hit the headlines?
Last Sunday, in our Riley on a charity drive, we were on a country road when an oncoming 'take no prisoners' SUV forced me to take avoiding action through a pothole at the side of the road, an eight inch deep pothole filled with water.
Here's a photo of the pothole, you can see a screwdriver handle sticking up; the screwdriver is 11" long. A pothole that size didn't appear overnight. Hopefully Derbyshire County Council will cough up the cost of a tyre and perhaps also a new wheel and suspension repair - what do you reckon my chances are?
Here's a photo of the pothole, you can see a screwdriver handle sticking up; the screwdriver is 11" long. A pothole that size didn't appear overnight. Hopefully Derbyshire County Council will cough up the cost of a tyre and perhaps also a new wheel and suspension repair - what do you reckon my chances are?
There is absolutely zero preventative maintenance and cleaning on the roads. I noticed these two saplings growing on a main traffic island between A51 and A513 locally. This Google maps picture is from August last year and with the rain we have had, they're even larger now.
Nearly every road gully on the stretch of the A513 to that junction is blocked. Part of the road flood with the slightest rain. Other parts, the water in the drains is running out of the drain on hill sections. The neglect is speeding up pothole formation.
Nearly every road gully on the stretch of the A513 to that junction is blocked. Part of the road flood with the slightest rain. Other parts, the water in the drains is running out of the drain on hill sections. The neglect is speeding up pothole formation.
I've just returned from a road trip across France and Spain and finally onto Tenerife.
In 3500 miles, the only bad surfaces that I saw, and felt, were around the docks in SW Spain, Huelva. Understandable due to the amount of HGV traffic and it was only in lane 1 of 2.
Get out of the tunnel at Cheriton and it was bang, bang, swerve, bang all the way back to the moonscape of my part of SW London.
Our council tax is 12x the Spanish equivalent, yes 12 times more expensive, yet they seem to keep their roads in tip top condition.
This is the road from Kingston to Hampton Court.
It's like that almost up to the entrance to Bushey Park.
Cars, and not just cars with sports suspension and low profile tyres, are swerving all over the road in a vain attempt to avoid them.
I've tried reporting those above but when you stick their pointer on the map it says not valid as not near a known address.
Cos, there are no houses there, you fekers
In 3500 miles, the only bad surfaces that I saw, and felt, were around the docks in SW Spain, Huelva. Understandable due to the amount of HGV traffic and it was only in lane 1 of 2.
Get out of the tunnel at Cheriton and it was bang, bang, swerve, bang all the way back to the moonscape of my part of SW London.
Our council tax is 12x the Spanish equivalent, yes 12 times more expensive, yet they seem to keep their roads in tip top condition.
This is the road from Kingston to Hampton Court.
It's like that almost up to the entrance to Bushey Park.
Cars, and not just cars with sports suspension and low profile tyres, are swerving all over the road in a vain attempt to avoid them.
I've tried reporting those above but when you stick their pointer on the map it says not valid as not near a known address.
Cos, there are no houses there, you fekers
A question I've never seen (asked or answered)..... If you or your car are damaged and you have insurance (eg your car insurance or a legal cover add-on to household) will insurers pursue a case against the local authority or highways, or just decide they won't because the case will lose? The 'authorities' are using OUR MONEY against us when we have a legitimate case.
Fastpedeller said:
A question I've never seen (asked or answered)..... If you or your car are damaged and you have insurance (eg your car insurance or a legal cover add-on to household) will insurers pursue a case against the local authority or highways, or just decide they won't because the case will lose? The 'authorities' are using OUR MONEY against us when we have a legitimate case.
My car was written off due to pothole damage. The insurance company made zero effort to obtain recompense from the council. The data I received from the council re the road inspection reports and subsequent repairs and inspection had more holes in than out pot-holed local roads. A decent solicitor would have pulled it shreds. I considered the Small Claims Court, but they want a 10% fee of your claim up front, which was impossible to ascertain unless the garage stripped off all the suspect-damaged parts to inspect them.robinessex said:
Fastpedeller said:
A question I've never seen (asked or answered)..... If you or your car are damaged and you have insurance (eg your car insurance or a legal cover add-on to household) will insurers pursue a case against the local authority or highways, or just decide they won't because the case will lose? The 'authorities' are using OUR MONEY against us when we have a legitimate case.
My car was written off due to pothole damage. The insurance company made zero effort to obtain recompense from the council. The data I received from the council re the road inspection reports and subsequent repairs and inspection had more holes in than out pot-holed local roads. A decent solicitor would have pulled it shreds. I considered the Small Claims Court, but they want a 10% fee of your claim up front, which was impossible to ascertain unless the garage stripped off all the suspect-damaged parts to inspect them.robinessex said:
You mean like Ringwood Jacobs, Essex council's preferred contractor, who have been sacked by two other councils for poor workmanship. They have a history of complete resurfacing sections that fall to bits a few years after being done.
I bet this type of thing is a key reason in these failings. Council signs of some sub-par contractor who have no incentive to do anything decent. I bet the whole thing is a bureaucratic mess where the cheapest thrive cos councils are in their knees. Tax the bloody profiteering energy companies to fix it or something radical.
There are several issues here
The main one being costcutting.
Now I know you may think councils are full of waste and that may have been the case and still could be, but they have also been stripped of so much money they now can only do certain things, social services, schools, care, these are things they HAVE to do,. they only have to fix roads when they become dangerous enough for them to start paying out damages, so they are selective with how much they fix.
Blame successive governments and poor council management and waste over several decades for this, not just councils alone. It's why they dont fix potholes, clean signs, tidy up and trim back verges, paint lines etc
The main one being costcutting.
Now I know you may think councils are full of waste and that may have been the case and still could be, but they have also been stripped of so much money they now can only do certain things, social services, schools, care, these are things they HAVE to do,. they only have to fix roads when they become dangerous enough for them to start paying out damages, so they are selective with how much they fix.
Blame successive governments and poor council management and waste over several decades for this, not just councils alone. It's why they dont fix potholes, clean signs, tidy up and trim back verges, paint lines etc
Fastpedeller said:
A question I've never seen (asked or answered)..... If you or your car are damaged and you have insurance (eg your car insurance or a legal cover add-on to household) will insurers pursue a case against the local authority or highways, or just decide they won't because the case will lose?
Yes, if they believe they will win, they do. Well, car insurers certainly do.bergclimber34 said:
There are several issues here
The main one being costcutting.
Now I know you may think councils are full of waste and that may have been the case and still could be, but they have also been stripped of so much money they now can only do certain things, social services, schools, care, these are things they HAVE to do,. they only have to fix roads when they become dangerous enough for them to start paying out damages, so they are selective with how much they fix.
Blame successive governments and poor council management and waste over several decades for this, not just councils alone. It's why they dont fix potholes, clean signs, tidy up and trim back verges, paint lines etc
I’m beginning to think that road maintenance is beyond local authorities. And that they cannot afford the correct fixes but have to opt for sticking plaster solutions that quickly fail.The main one being costcutting.
Now I know you may think councils are full of waste and that may have been the case and still could be, but they have also been stripped of so much money they now can only do certain things, social services, schools, care, these are things they HAVE to do,. they only have to fix roads when they become dangerous enough for them to start paying out damages, so they are selective with how much they fix.
Blame successive governments and poor council management and waste over several decades for this, not just councils alone. It's why they dont fix potholes, clean signs, tidy up and trim back verges, paint lines etc
And that contractors are making a killing out of poor quality repairs.
A regional roads departments that could afford the expensive but effective kit and repairs would seem to be worth looking at.
robinessex said:
PaulD86 said:
robinessex said:
We pay enough already.
VED generated around £7.3 billion. Fuel Duty about £25.1 billion. £12 billion VAT derived from motorists buying, running and using their vehicles. Insurance Premium Tax (IPT). Motor insurance premiums generated almost £1.2 billion.
Of which £0 goes directly to roads. If you want roads spending to be a priority, you need to make elected representitives aware of this. Cut funding for NHS, schools, social care etc and you'll never be elected again. Cut funding for roads and people grumble. Roads will always be the easy target when finances are squeezed. VED generated around £7.3 billion. Fuel Duty about £25.1 billion. £12 billion VAT derived from motorists buying, running and using their vehicles. Insurance Premium Tax (IPT). Motor insurance premiums generated almost £1.2 billion.
Chat after me. "STOP THE BOATS. FIX THE ROADS"
It’s down about 3 tarmac layers to the bedrock swisstoni said:
I’m beginning to think that road maintenance is beyond local authorities. And that they cannot afford the correct fixes but have to opt for sticking plaster solutions that quickly fail.
Thing is where I am (Brent, NW London) the authority just pays a 10 year contract to one of the robbing b
d tarmac companies. So the LA don’t need to be good - they just need to enforce the contract and spec they agreed with tarmac etc. But they don’t. So it shouldn’t be ‘beyond’ them, they need to get tough and insert performance clauses. Something dodgy going on that they don’t. As I’ve said before this is the simplest least brain -intensive job there is - filling holes, and they can’t do it. CoolHands said:
It's just third world really and an utter disgrace, there are roads I drive on that look like they have been subjected to seismic activity so rippled and buckled are they, the road surface in parts has totally broken down, but they seem to have money for traffic lights, mini roundabouts and speed bumps, although even the speed bumps have potholes these days. Just to echo the general theme of the thread. Roads round me are an utter, utter disgrace. A recent repair was done with tarmac which was so poorly laid, it left a ridge worse than the original pothole and now 6 months later it has failed and the original hole is back. Exasperated with it.
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