Button

[Road2Ruin]

So who thinks Jensen will do it and if he does will he be a worthy champion? He has been struggling in the last few races but surely his eighth place finish from tenth last race shows the determination he has. 2 races left and 14 points ahead of the competition means he would have to do a 'Lewis' not to get the championship. Schumacher says 'Vettel can do it', do we think he can?

Come on Button put us out of our misery this weekend.

[Slate99]

I would like to see him win - Since that interview on topgear where he said he would jack all the money in for a world championship made me think that he is really doing it for the right reasons. He seems like a nice chap.

As a driver, I don't think he really "deserves" it but as a person he does.

[im]

I think Button just proves that it really doesn't matter much who's driving - its all about the car.

Give any of the top 50 GP drivers the (clearly) best car (as Braun's was at the start of the season) and they'll win the Championship. As the car slides away so does the driver.

[Road2Ruin]

Agreed. There are a lot of better drivers out there, Vettel for one, but I think he is owed this one for all the crap drives he has had in his career. And yes he does come accross a lot better than most of the other F1 drivers.

[curtisl]

I am not too sure about Button. He hasn't done anything wrong but I just used to hate that he always used the excuse that he had a bad car when he finished near the back of the pack. Looks like he was telling the truth i suppose as they gave him a good car and he started winning.

One thing I do know is that quite a lot of the drivers rate Button and his smooth driving, it was even commentated that he is so smooth that he doesn't scuff his tyres up enough to get them working properly.

[harryowl]

i cant understand people knocking his ability. Yes, the car was good at the start of the season, but he still way ouperformed barrichello. A worthy champion IMO. Vettel has shown that he is not yet mature enough ( a few mistakes have cost him valuable points).

[Lost_BMW]

Road2Ruin said:

Agreed. There are a lot of better drivers out there, Vettel for one, but I think he is owed this one for all the crap drives he has had in his career. And yes he does come accross a lot better than most of the other F1 drivers.

Evidence base?

[Marcia]

harryowl said:

i cant understand people knocking his ability. Yes, the car was good at the start of the season, but he still way ouperformed barrichello. A worthy champion IMO. Vettel has shown that he is not yet mature enough ( a few mistakes have cost him valuable points).

And engine failures that were out of his control.

[Munter]

Marcia said:

harryowl said:

i cant understand people knocking his ability. Yes, the car was good at the start of the season, but he still way ouperformed barrichello. A worthy champion IMO. Vettel has shown that he is not yet mature enough ( a few mistakes have cost him valuable points).

And engine failures that were out of his control.

A poor driver can affect the engine...nobody else blew up that many Renault engines...

[Marcia]

Munter said:

Marcia said:

harryowl said:

i cant understand people knocking his ability. Yes, the car was good at the start of the season, but he still way ouperformed barrichello. A worthy champion IMO. Vettel has shown that he is not yet mature enough ( a few mistakes have cost him valuable points).

And engine failures that were out of his control.

A poor driver can affect the engine...nobody else blew up that many Renault engines...

But we will never know that for a fact will we.

[Ian Davidson]

Marcia said:

Munter said:

Marcia said:

harryowl said:

i cant understand people knocking his ability. Yes, the car was good at the start of the season, but he still way ouperformed barrichello. A worthy champion IMO. Vettel has shown that he is not yet mature enough ( a few mistakes have cost him valuable points).

And engine failures that were out of his control.

A poor driver can affect the engine...nobody else blew up that many Renault engines...

But we will never know that for a fact will we.

Is that a fact?

[VladD]

Jenson has been head and shoulders above Rubens for most of the season and Rubens hasn't been tied to a number 2 spot in the team, so had no excuses. Red Bull have had the seasons best car (according to commentary on the BBC) but have made too many mistakes. Jenson has mostly dominated when he's had a good car and battled for points when he hasn't.

Imagine if his season had been the other way round. He'd be getting all sorts of praise for winning 6 of the last 7 races.

[exitwound]

JB lucked out big time this year when he landed the Brawn drive... Its the only reason he (narrowly) won.

[Muzzer]

exitwound said:

JB lucked out big time this year when he landed the Brawn drive... Its the only reason he (narrowly) won.

More trolling from you regarding Jenson. How he 'lucked out' and 'landed' a drive with a team he was already driving for, had a contract with (albeit in a different guise) and stayed loyal to when there was a real chance it would fold is a mystery to me....

Also, by your reckoning, the only reason Kimi won the title was because he was in a Ferrari. And Hamilton because he was in a McLaren. And Alonso because he was in a Renault. And Schumacher because he was in a Ferrari. And Hakkinen because he was in a McLaren. See the theme here?

[exitwound]

Muzzer said:

exitwound said:

JB lucked out big time this year when he landed the Brawn drive... Its the only reason he (narrowly) won.

More trolling from you regarding Jenson. How he 'lucked out' and 'landed' a drive with a team he was already driving for, had a contract with (albeit in a different guise) and stayed loyal to when there was a real chance it would fold is a mystery to me....

Also, by your reckoning, the only reason Kimi won the title was because he was in a Ferrari. And Hamilton because he was in a McLaren. And Alonso because he was in a Renault. And Schumacher because he was in a Ferrari. And Hakkinen because he was in a McLaren. See the theme here?

No I don't.. If JB is so HUGELY talented, what has he been doing the last 9 years?? Next year if he gets a drive, will see him at the back of the grid where he's more at home.

[Lost_BMW]

exitwound said:

Muzzer said:

exitwound said:

JB lucked out big time this year when he landed the Brawn drive... Its the only reason he (narrowly) won.

More trolling from you regarding Jenson. How he 'lucked out' and 'landed' a drive with a team he was already driving for, had a contract with (albeit in a different guise) and stayed loyal to when there was a real chance it would fold is a mystery to me....

Also, by your reckoning, the only reason Kimi won the title was because he was in a Ferrari. And Hamilton because he was in a McLaren. And Alonso because he was in a Renault. And Schumacher because he was in a Ferrari. And Hakkinen because he was in a McLaren. See the theme here?

No I don't.. If JB is so HUGELY talented, what has he been doing the last 9 years?? Next year if he gets a drive, will see him at the back of the grid where he's more at home.

Unbelievable!

[im]

A pertinent point regarding his talent level: Does anyone REALLY expect him to win it next season - without him having the best car available?

[custardtart]

Lost_BMW said:

exitwound said:

Muzzer said:

exitwound said:

JB lucked out big time this year when he landed the Brawn drive... Its the only reason he (narrowly) won.

More trolling from you regarding Jenson. How he 'lucked out' and 'landed' a drive with a team he was already driving for, had a contract with (albeit in a different guise) and stayed loyal to when there was a real chance it would fold is a mystery to me....

Also, by your reckoning, the only reason Kimi won the title was because he was in a Ferrari. And Hamilton because he was in a McLaren. And Alonso because he was in a Renault. And Schumacher because he was in a Ferrari. And Hakkinen because he was in a McLaren. See the theme here?

No I don't.. If JB is so HUGELY talented, what has he been doing the last 9 years?? Next year if he gets a drive, will see him at the back of the grid where he's more at home.

Unbelievable!

I bet a mate that he was Scottish (only in jest and no real offence meant to the wonderful Scots) then we clicked his profile!!!!!!!!

[exitwound]

custardtart said:

Lost_BMW said:

exitwound said:

Muzzer said:

exitwound said:

JB lucked out big time this year when he landed the Brawn drive... Its the only reason he (narrowly) won.

More trolling from you regarding Jenson. How he 'lucked out' and 'landed' a drive with a team he was already driving for, had a contract with (albeit in a different guise) and stayed loyal to when there was a real chance it would fold is a mystery to me....

Also, by your reckoning, the only reason Kimi won the title was because he was in a Ferrari. And Hamilton because he was in a McLaren. And Alonso because he was in a Renault. And Schumacher because he was in a Ferrari. And Hakkinen because he was in a McLaren. See the theme here?

No I don't.. If JB is so HUGELY talented, what has he been doing the last 9 years?? Next year if he gets a drive, will see him at the back of the grid where he's more at home.

Unbelievable!

I bet a mate that he was Scottish (only in jest and no real offence meant to the wonderful Scots) then we clicked his profile!!!!!!!!

I assume that's me your referring to and yes, I do live (love and career reasons)in Scotland which is indeed wonderful with wonderful people, ...but I am very much English, of good English stock and very proud of it. If you have a problem with that, I'd be only too happy to discuss it with you!

[FNG]

im said:

A pertinent point regarding his talent level: Does anyone REALLY expect him to win it next season - without him having the best car available?

How many WDCs can you think of who've won without having the best car for at least a good portion of the year?

1. Schumacher.
2. er......

Doesn't matter who you look at. Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi, Hakk. They all had the best car for some of the season and made sure they maximised their opportunity. They also scored points when their car wasn't the best.

That's how championships are won, and if Button hasn't got one of the best two cars next year he won't be WDC.

But neither would any other driver on the grid.