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Rubens has made some interesting comments about that incidents when he drove for Ferrari, perhaps this means he doesn't hold too much hope of continuing in F1? Anyway, interesting comments:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/11/25/rubens-barri...
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/11/25/rubens-barri...
said:
Rubens Barrichello, in an interview on the Brazilian TV programme Fantastico, claimed he was threatened with the sack while he led the infamous 2002 Austrian Grand Prix.
While circulating in front of Schumacher, Barrichello said he was told over the radio: “Do you know that Michael is behind you? It’s important for the championship.”
He said his conversation with the pits lasted for eight laps, before an ultimatum was presented on the final tour.
“The intensity of the conversation increased with every lap. And then I was told to think about my contract,” said Barrichello.
“For me it was clear - take your foot off the gas or you will be going home.”
Barrichello said he was appalled by the turn of events, and asked Schumacher afterwards if he had anything to do with the decision.
“He said he had nothing to do with it, but I have the documents at home to prove that he was aware of everything that took place,” the 36-year-old insisted.
While circulating in front of Schumacher, Barrichello said he was told over the radio: “Do you know that Michael is behind you? It’s important for the championship.”
He said his conversation with the pits lasted for eight laps, before an ultimatum was presented on the final tour.
“The intensity of the conversation increased with every lap. And then I was told to think about my contract,” said Barrichello.
“For me it was clear - take your foot off the gas or you will be going home.”
Barrichello said he was appalled by the turn of events, and asked Schumacher afterwards if he had anything to do with the decision.
“He said he had nothing to do with it, but I have the documents at home to prove that he was aware of everything that took place,” the 36-year-old insisted.
OO blimey.
This would set the cat among the pigeons if a) it's true and b) he does do a complete "tell all"...
Potential for a Stepney and Barrichello joint venture...
I think it's one thing to "know" it happened, another to hear it straight from the horses mouth as it were. No ambiguity for anyone to hide behind, no benefit of the doubt to be given.
FWIW I am not remotely begrudging Ferrari the team orders aspect but it's a low blow to threaten the sack IMO.
This would set the cat among the pigeons if a) it's true and b) he does do a complete "tell all"...
Potential for a Stepney and Barrichello joint venture...
I think it's one thing to "know" it happened, another to hear it straight from the horses mouth as it were. No ambiguity for anyone to hide behind, no benefit of the doubt to be given.
FWIW I am not remotely begrudging Ferrari the team orders aspect but it's a low blow to threaten the sack IMO.
Edited by DrTre on Tuesday 25th November 12:18
dougc said:
E30M3SE said:
No different from what David Richards told Colin McRae then.........
Except that Colin kept his foot in and only lost out on an enforced timing infringement later on. Good lad 
Not nice, but it's also no secret that the Ferrari No.2 was contractually obliged to let Scummy past if he was 1 position behind them.
I assume Rubens knew the terms of the contract, it's not criminal to remind him that breach of the contract might result in termination, though I'm sure it wasn't pleasant or motivating for him at all.
I assume Rubens knew the terms of the contract, it's not criminal to remind him that breach of the contract might result in termination, though I'm sure it wasn't pleasant or motivating for him at all.
If I remember correctly, the year that Schumacher broke his foot at Ferrari, Eddie Irvine was close to winning the championship and only need his team mates assistance in the win, but where was Michael (once he was back racing) to support his team mate.
Another reason why I have never liked the German. He only won so many championships by having clever team management on his side and having no one close to Mika's talent to race against him, until of course when Alonso and Renualt got it going together
As soon as the new order was coming through Michael jumps out - no sign of a true champion in my view.
Another reason why I have never liked the German. He only won so many championships by having clever team management on his side and having no one close to Mika's talent to race against him, until of course when Alonso and Renualt got it going together
As soon as the new order was coming through Michael jumps out - no sign of a true champion in my view.
I don't see what the problem is with team orders.
The entrants to the race are the teams, not the drivers. The drivers are employees (directly or as contracted agents) of the teams. Why shouldn't it be up to the teams to decide how they want to race?
If you have the regulator dictating how the teams must instruct their employees, quickly you get to a Hungary '07-type farce, in which the FIA headquarters penalised both a driver and his team because he wasn't nice to his teammate.
The problem with Austria '02 wasn't team orders per se. It was that Ferrari were so greedy and unsporting that they insisted that Schumacher be allowed to win a race that he was losing - notwithstanding the fact that he had an enormous lead in the overall WDC and it was a dead cert that a Ferarri driver would win it that year. In that instance, one might well have chosen to criticise the team for their poor attitude towards the sport and the fans who pay the freight, but the team should be free to make an ass of itself if it so chooses.
Team orders were part of the sport for it's inception - my feeling is that they should remain so but perhaps not to the extent that Ferrari used them for Schumacher's benefit.
Rubins' latest comments may just be him making sure Ross Brawn is aware of the consequences of not re-hiring Rubins for next year.
Rubins' latest comments may just be him making sure Ross Brawn is aware of the consequences of not re-hiring Rubins for next year.
german tony said:
Rubins' latest comments may just be him making sure Ross Brawn is aware of the consequences of not re-hiring Rubins for next year.
Interesting point. Or he knows he's NOT re-hired and is sticking the boot in? mind like a trap, me, mind like a trapEdited by DrTre on Tuesday 25th November 16:31
I don't have any problem with team orders at all. What happened in Austria was a very poor show, but that was more because of the circumstances that surrounded it (Schumacher's certainty of a Championship, the way the orders were executed, the toe-curlingly cringey podium ceremony, etc, etc) rather than the idea of Team Orders as a part of F1 itself.
motormania said:
If I remember correctly, the year that Schumacher broke his foot at Ferrari, Eddie Irvine was close to winning the championship and only need his team mates assistance in the win, but where was Michael (once he was back racing) to support his team mate.
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Schuey returned at Sepang where he held up Mika and the rest of the field and allowed Eddie to take the win..
garycat said:
motormania said:
If I remember correctly, the year that Schumacher broke his foot at Ferrari, Eddie Irvine was close to winning the championship and only need his team mates assistance in the win, but where was Michael (once he was back racing) to support his team mate.
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Schuey returned at Sepang where he held up Mika and the rest of the field and allowed Eddie to take the win..
flemke said:
I don't see what the problem is with team orders.
The entrants to the race are the teams, not the drivers. The drivers are employees (directly or as contracted agents) of the teams. Why shouldn't it be up to the teams to decide how they want to race?
If you have the regulator dictating how the teams must instruct their employees, quickly you get to a Hungary '07-type farce, in which the FIA headquarters penalised both a driver and his team because he wasn't nice to his teammate.
The problem with Austria '02 wasn't team orders per se. It was that Ferrari were so greedy and unsporting that they insisted that Schumacher be allowed to win a race that he was losing - notwithstanding the fact that he had an enormous lead in the overall WDC and it was a dead cert that a Ferarri driver would win it that year. In that instance, one might well have chosen to criticise the team for their poor attitude towards the sport and the fans who pay the freight, but the team should be free to make an ass of itself if it so chooses.
+1. The entrants to the race are the teams, not the drivers. The drivers are employees (directly or as contracted agents) of the teams. Why shouldn't it be up to the teams to decide how they want to race?
If you have the regulator dictating how the teams must instruct their employees, quickly you get to a Hungary '07-type farce, in which the FIA headquarters penalised both a driver and his team because he wasn't nice to his teammate.
The problem with Austria '02 wasn't team orders per se. It was that Ferrari were so greedy and unsporting that they insisted that Schumacher be allowed to win a race that he was losing - notwithstanding the fact that he had an enormous lead in the overall WDC and it was a dead cert that a Ferarri driver would win it that year. In that instance, one might well have chosen to criticise the team for their poor attitude towards the sport and the fans who pay the freight, but the team should be free to make an ass of itself if it so chooses.
Edited by Alfanatic on Wednesday 26th November 12:48
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