Driver Coaching - Rob Wilson?
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I guess the reason he doesn't have contact details is because he doesn't want to be contacted - too busy with all the coaching for McLaren!!
However, I read on another forum (ten-tenths.com) that if you contact Cirtek, the GT Team, and you are very persuasive, and are very nice, they *might* just give you his mobile 'phone number. Of course, they might also tell you to bugger off, but worth a try.
If you do get a day's coaching with him, please report back to this forum - I'd love to know how much ££££'s he costs...
However, I read on another forum (ten-tenths.com) that if you contact Cirtek, the GT Team, and you are very persuasive, and are very nice, they *might* just give you his mobile 'phone number. Of course, they might also tell you to bugger off, but worth a try.
If you do get a day's coaching with him, please report back to this forum - I'd love to know how much ££££'s he costs...
GarrettMacD said:
I guess the reason he doesn't have contact details is because he doesn't want to be contacted - too busy with all the coaching for McLaren!!
However, I read on another forum (ten-tenths.com) that if you contact Cirtek, the GT Team, and you are very persuasive, and are very nice, they *might* just give you his mobile 'phone number. Of course, they might also tell you to bugger off, but worth a try.
If you do get a day's coaching with him, please report back to this forum - I'd love to know how much ££££'s he costs...
IIRC about £500 a day.
you might also want to try
www.racecoaching.com
also about £500 per half day
stockhatcher said:
I guess the reason he doesn't have contact details is because he doesn't want to be contacted - too busy with all the coaching for McLaren!!
However, I read on another forum (ten-tenths.com) that if you contact Cirtek, the GT Team, and you are very persuasive, and are very nice, they *might* just give you his mobile 'phone number. Of course, they might also tell you to bugger off, but worth a try.
If you do get a day's coaching with him, please report back to this forum - I'd love to know how much ££££'s he costs...
IIRC about £500 a day.
you might also want to try
www.racecoaching.com
also about £500 per half day
Stockhatcher,
I had a day with John Stevens about 18 months ago. The price was roughly what you quoted, but some of the lines he had me on were, quite frankly, weird. And some of the power application points were also a bit strange. I have since found a bloke I can work with much easier (Simon Mason), but I'd be interested to know how you got on with John Stevens, and whether you still use him.
Garrett
BTW, I expected Rob Wilson to be about £1.5k a day...
Garret D
interesting feeback re John Stevens. I've actually never used him, but was seriously contemplating it. I 've had some discussions with him regards availability, but at his price I guess I was looking for some feedback from someone else, as judging by his clients, it would be a bit like a maths professor trying to teach a 10 y-o long division.
It'd be interesting to note if you got anything positive from the day?
As for Simon Mason, hmmm, I don't know your level of experience, but I'd find it hard to believe that a club racer could offer you more than JS.
The price for Rob Wilson was from 1995 for an afternoon at Goodwood. So you may be right about nearer £1500.
interesting feeback re John Stevens. I've actually never used him, but was seriously contemplating it. I 've had some discussions with him regards availability, but at his price I guess I was looking for some feedback from someone else, as judging by his clients, it would be a bit like a maths professor trying to teach a 10 y-o long division.
It'd be interesting to note if you got anything positive from the day?
As for Simon Mason, hmmm, I don't know your level of experience, but I'd find it hard to believe that a club racer could offer you more than JS.
The price for Rob Wilson was from 1995 for an afternoon at Goodwood. So you may be right about nearer £1500.
stockhatcher said:
Garret D
interesting feeback re John Stevens. I've actually never used him, but was seriously contemplating it. I 've had some discussions with him regards availability, but at his price I guess I was looking for some feedback from someone else, as judging by his clients, it would be a bit like a maths professor trying to teach a 10 y-o long division.
It'd be interesting to note if you got anything positive from the day?
As for Simon Mason, hmmm, I don't know your level of experience, but I'd find it hard to believe that a club racer could offer you more than JS.
The price for Rob Wilson was from 1995 for an afternoon at Goodwood. So you may be right about nearer £1500.
Stockhatcher,
The lines JS showed me very very unique, and very difficult to get used to. Unfortunately, it was my first coaching session since I had done my ARDS test, so it was a very steep curve. The coaching being at Bedford didn't help either, I think it would have been more relevant at a 'real' track. He's very good at the old mental preparation stuff, but perhaps a bit too advanced for the level I was at at that time.
Interesting point you make about the relative benefits of JS versus Simon. I can only say that Simon may 'only' be a club racer, but his experience is incredible. He's never really had a big enough budget to make serious inroads into the bigger championships, but he's very good in Britcar S1. I watched him against Ian Flux in the Mazda RX-8 at the 24hrs and he never looked like he was going to give ground to Flux, despite the Mazda being more powerful. As usual, how far a person goes in Motorsport is very much measured by the size of their wallets - you only have to look at a few of the drivers making up the numbers in BTCC so see that they're not there on ability...
flemke said:
Robin,
Cheers.
Yes my email to you bounced back. It was just to say THANK YOU.
We are in contact and in the process of aranging some sessions with the driver I am helping.
Thanks once again.
Robin
I trust your lad is pretty damned good to really benefit from Rob's help.
I would suggest that you get to know Rob, not just treat him as a service provider. He is a really nice bloke (to a fault - I know of several people who have done rather well off him), with some fantastic stories which I am not allowed to repeat publicly. More importantly, he knows so many people who could be helpful to you. I know that at least two of the biggest F1 stars got very big breaks through Rob. He can do a lot more than show your lad how to get better exit speeds.
I would suggest that you get to know Rob, not just treat him as a service provider. He is a really nice bloke (to a fault - I know of several people who have done rather well off him), with some fantastic stories which I am not allowed to repeat publicly. More importantly, he knows so many people who could be helpful to you. I know that at least two of the biggest F1 stars got very big breaks through Rob. He can do a lot more than show your lad how to get better exit speeds.
HiRich said:
I trust your lad is pretty damned good to really benefit from Rob's help.
I would suggest that you get to know Rob, not just treat him as a service provider. He is a really nice bloke (to a fault - I know of several people who have done rather well off him), with some fantastic stories which I am not allowed to repeat publicly. More importantly, he knows so many people who could be helpful to you. I know that at least two of the biggest F1 stars got very big breaks through Rob. He can do a lot more than show your lad how to get better exit speeds.
Thanks HiRich - that is sound advice and much appreciated, we will certainly set out to get to know Rob. One of young Tom's other great attributes is he is very good (especially for his age) at interacting with people of all ages.
Hard to answer you first point at this stage. He didn't start karting in April 2005 because he wanted to have a go at being a racing driver, it was just for fun (his 10 year old brother has actually being karting longer). (Briefly!) The only reason he is in a Formula BMW car less than a year later is after only his third kart race he and his father were approached by someone from the team (Nexa Racing - who won the 2005 Formula BMW Drivers Championship & the 2004 Formula Ford Championship), that person believes he has seen a natural talent and that is why after only 7 MSA kart races he has made the huge jump to single seaters. We did not have the budget for pre-season testing, so he had only one day in the car pre-season other than the mandatory pre-season tests - so he obviously lacks seat time to most of the other rookies let alone the more experienced drivers and all this aside from the fact that he is the only Under 16 in the Championship. So far he has exceeded the teams expectations under the circumstances. So by the end of the season we will see (hopefully with Rob's help) whether or not Tom is "pretty dammed good" or not. I can only assume our team principal wouldn't have suggested getting Rob to coach him unless he thinks he has the ability to benefit from it though. But as I said we will see, take it from there and hopefuly have some fun finding out.
Thanks once again for the advice.
Regards,
Robin
Trust Rob to give you that answer. Back in the mid-nineties he was asked to assess a young Colombian kid - "a bit wild, but special". Then a year later he was asked to look at a young British lad, who was looking rather handy in karts. Both have gone on to do rather well for themselves.
Rob, meanwhile, introduced them to an ex-racer mate to act as their management and left them to it. Like I say, too damn nice for his own good.
Rob, meanwhile, introduced them to an ex-racer mate to act as their management and left them to it. Like I say, too damn nice for his own good.
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