Females in Current Motorsport

Females in Current Motorsport

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Castellet

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212 posts

25 months

Saturday 4th May
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I know there have been several previous threads, but thought it was time to freshen things up under a new heading.

Women represent 50% of the population (75% in my household - hence my interest), but only a tiny percent are represented in motorsport, with a few notable figures in the history books.

With new initiatives, new faces and, it seems, a will to see more women succeed in all levels and areas of motorsport (not just drivers), perhaps we will can enjoy some constructive discussion about future talent.

bockaaarck

403 posts

175 months

Saturday 4th May
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There are quite a few up and coming talents I’ve noticed and keeping my eyes on. There’s the obvious drivers who are at the top of the pack in F1 Academy as well as Sarah Bovy, Michelle Gatting, Rahel Fry, Celia Martin, Karen Gaillard, Marta Garcia, Jem Hepworth etc, but I think there are others like Lisa Billard, Ella Steven’s, Ella Lloyd, Alisha Palmowski who I think have huge potential to take forward

Edited by bockaaarck on Saturday 4th May 21:18

Sebring440

2,310 posts

103 months

Saturday 4th May
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bockaaarck said:
There’s the obvious drivers who are at the top of the pack in F1 Academy
The problem with the F1 Academy is that it's a PR stunt.

Many excellent British drivers had applied for the 2024 season and spent (lots) of money with teams on pre-season testing, having worked very hard to achieve their sponsorship goals.

Teams were on the verge of signing these drivers after successful test sessions but were then told by Suzie Wolff: "You sign who I tell you."

bockaaarck

403 posts

175 months

Sunday 5th May
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Sebring440 said:
bockaaarck said:
There’s the obvious drivers who are at the top of the pack in F1 Academy
The problem with the F1 Academy is that it's a PR stunt.

Many excellent British drivers had applied for the 2024 season and spent (lots) of money with teams on pre-season testing, having worked very hard to achieve their sponsorship goals.

Teams were on the verge of signing these drivers after successful test sessions but were then told by Suzie Wolff: "You sign who I tell you."
It doesn’t surprise me that there was a ‘bankable talent’ view (as in drivers that will bring fans and money) for the first season / seasons of F1 Academy. There naturally would be a commercial focus at the outset, perhaps more so than on finding new drivers with huge potential, which is unfortunate but as said, not a surprise.

Which drivers do you know of that teams were intending to sign but were dissuaded from doing so?

shirt

23,457 posts

208 months

Sunday 5th May
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Sebring440 said:
The problem with the F1 Academy is that it's a PR stunt.
I tend to agree but for different reasons. I think that putting the same resources into developing a female wec star would actually result in its aim within a few years. I can’t see the same happening with single seaters. Yet f1 is the crown and endurance racing not well publicized enough for such a result to be seen as a decent endeavor.

Dan BSCS

1,178 posts

243 months

Sunday 5th May
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shirt said:
I tend to agree but for different reasons. I think that putting the same resources into developing a female wec star would actually result in its aim within a few years. I can’t see the same happening with single seaters. Yet f1 is the crown and endurance racing not well publicized enough for such a result to be seen as a decent endeavor.
Have you not heard of the Iron Dames then? biggrin

shirt

23,457 posts

208 months

Sunday 5th May
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Yes, met them and raced against them. Taken what, 12+ yrs to get their profile up to where it is now?

GravelBen

15,912 posts

237 months

Monday 6th May
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Rallying probably has a much higher proportion of female competitors, though more commonly codrivers than drivers.

Truckosaurus

12,042 posts

291 months

Monday 6th May
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The Iron Dames seem to always be up at the Sharp End, but their cars are noticeably short of adverts, so someone is bank rolling it for a vast amount.

The F1 Academy will always have the disadvantage of being dismissed by some for being women only, but if it gives drivers some experience they otherwise wouldn't get the budget for then that's all good. And single seater experience will be valuable as there's plenty of paying seats in sportscar racing compared to the single seater pyramid.

coppice

8,905 posts

151 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Away from the silly F1 bubble there are an increasing number of women in motorsport and in some disciplines , notably drag racing , they are very successful. I see lots of women and girls in British Grasstrack (a hugely spectacular sport off many people's radar) , and some in hillclimbing , historic racing and VSCC vintage trials .

Sandpit Steve

11,361 posts

81 months

Saturday 11th May
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Well there’s a pole position for the Iron Dames in the Spa 6h GT class today, local Belgian Sarah Bovy setting the pace in qualifying against an almost all-male field behind. Along with Jamie Chadwick on the podium in the INdy Lights race yesterday, two great adverts for women in motorsport.

Edited by Sandpit Steve on Saturday 11th May 10:34

bockaaarck

403 posts

175 months

Sunday 12th May
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Sandpit Steve said:
Well there’s a pole position for the Iron Dames in the Spa 6h GT class today, local Belgian Sarah Bovy setting the pace in qualifying against an almost all-male field behind. Along with Jamie Chadwick on the podium in the INdy Lights race yesterday, two great adverts for women in motorsport.

Edited by Sandpit Steve on Saturday 11th May 10:34
Abbi Pulling becoming the first woman to win a GB4 race today at Brands

Upatdawn

2,187 posts

155 months

Saturday 8th June
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Women compete equally with men in Drag Racing (actual racing), and have done for many years here and in the USA frome Shirley "Cha Cha" Muldowney to John Force's daughters who have been NHRA champions and here in the UK where the current European Top Fuel champion is Ida Zetterström

Women drivers 0-100 in under a secondm imagine that.....

(1000ft now...)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX32IXmZqlE


Ken_Code

1,566 posts

9 months

Saturday 8th June
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Upatdawn said:
Women compete equally with men in Drag Racing (actual racing), and have done for many years here and in the USA frome Shirley "Cha Cha" Muldowney to John Force's daughters who have been NHRA champions and here in the UK where the current European Top Fuel champion is Ida Zetterström

Women drivers 0-100 in under a secondm imagine that.....

(1000ft now...)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX32IXmZqlE
They compete equally with men in F1 too.

Upatdawn

2,187 posts

155 months

Saturday 8th June
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Ken_Code said:
They compete equally with men in F1 too.
yeah, in which F1 team as drivers tho?

Ken_Code

1,566 posts

9 months

Saturday 8th June
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Upatdawn said:
yeah, in which F1 team as drivers tho?
What do you mean? If any are fast enough they can compete, there’s nothing in the regulations stopping them.

Sebring440

2,310 posts

103 months

Saturday 8th June
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Ken_Code said:
They compete equally with men in F1 too.
Have you got any examples?


bockaaarck

403 posts

175 months

Sunday 9th June
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Jamie Chadwick wins at Road America!

Peacockantony

267 posts

166 months

Monday 10th June
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Upatdawn said:
Women compete equally with men in Drag Racing (actual racing), and have done for many years here and in the USA frome Shirley "Cha Cha" Muldowney to John Force's daughters who have been NHRA champions and here in the UK where the current European Top Fuel champion is Ida Zetterström

Women drivers 0-100 in under a secondm imagine that.....

(1000ft now...)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX32IXmZqlE
Are you seriously trying to claim 'smash the pedal and hold on' drag "racing" is equal to circuit racing consisting of more than seconds? All drag "racers" do is mash a pedal and hope not to crash. It required very little skill or talent. Put any of these drivers in even the easiest to drive junior formula cars against children and they would get embarrassed. They perhaps would be quick off of the start line but would run out of talent in the first corner.

It's almost as if drag racing require very little racing talent, just quick reactions. I'd wager my salary for 10 years that an F1 driver would beat a top fuel drag racer in both drag cars and F1 cars.

Peacockantony

267 posts

166 months

Monday 10th June
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Ken_Code said:
What do you mean? If any are fast enough they can compete, there’s nothing in the regulations stopping them.
Other than the requirement to hold a superlicence, which requires them to achieve adequate results in the juniors series to amass the minimum points. There is not a single female driver that satisfies the criteria let alone is good enough to compete for any thing other than who is lapped the most.

Calderon in F2, Floersch in F3, Chadwick/Al Qubaisi/Garcia/Buhler in Formula Regional, Pulling/Chong/Lloyd in F4 are all examples of driver not being stopped by regulations yet failing to achieve results worthy of note. None of them have shown anything that proves they would come close to competing with any F1 driver.

The regulations didn't stop Stroll, Mazepin, Chadhok & Maldonado despite evidently not being good enough for F1.

Edited by Peacockantony on Monday 10th June 01:42