Tell me everything you know about Carbon Ceramic Brake Discs

Tell me everything you know about Carbon Ceramic Brake Discs

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Pit Pony

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9,242 posts

128 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Who makes them?
Who sells them?
Are they all they claim them to be?

simon_harris

1,785 posts

41 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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and more importantly do they require anything different from the calipers?

Sorry to hijack OP smile

Pit Pony

Original Poster:

9,242 posts

128 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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simon_harris said:
and more importantly do they require anything different from the calipers?

Sorry to hijack OP smile
Good question.


GlobalRacer

333 posts

20 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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A lot of series expressly forbid them in the regs unless the base car came from the factory with them. No idea if that's an issue for you or not but something to be aware of.

Pit Pony

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128 months

Wednesday 3rd May 2023
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Had an interview on teams yesterday for a job local (ish) to me, got a second one on teams next week.

Sebring440

2,312 posts

103 months

Wednesday 3rd May 2023
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Pit Pony said:
Had an interview on teams yesterday for a job local (ish) to me, got a second one on teams next week.
Gosh.


Panamax

5,073 posts

41 months

Wednesday 3rd May 2023
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Manufacturers: Brembo, AP Racing and others.

Carbon-Carbon: Used mainly for racing. Wear is relatively quick. Braking efficiency (and wear) varies significantly with temperature. Disc and pad made from identical carbon material. Temperatures can run very high so good cooling of the disc and caliper is essential. Brake fluid used must be able to sustain high temperature.

Carbon Ceramic: Much like C-C above except the disc is impregnated with various resins and silicon powder which creates a harder and longer lasting disc. Unlike a C-C brake the pads are made from materials more like a normal brake pad. Similar temperature considerations as C-C but with different characteristics.

Since they are related friction components you will find Carbon-Carbon clutches and Carbon Ceramic clutches as well, for instance from AP Racing.

Pit Pony

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9,242 posts

128 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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Sebring440 said:
Pit Pony said:
Had an interview on teams yesterday for a job local (ish) to me, got a second one on teams next week.
Gosh.
I note your sarcasm. (I think)

Pit Pony

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9,242 posts

128 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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Panamax said:
Manufacturers: Brembo, AP Racing and others.

Carbon-Carbon: Used mainly for racing. Wear is relatively quick. Braking efficiency (and wear) varies significantly with temperature. Disc and pad made from identical carbon material. Temperatures can run very high so good cooling of the disc and caliper is essential. Brake fluid used must be able to sustain high temperature.

Carbon Ceramic: Much like C-C above except the disc is impregnated with various resins and silicon powder which creates a harder and longer lasting disc. Unlike a C-C brake the pads are made from materials more like a normal brake pad. Similar temperature considerations as C-C but with different characteristics.

Since they are related friction components you will find Carbon-Carbon clutches and Carbon Ceramic clutches as well, for instance from AP Racing.
NEVER thought about the clutch possibilities. Interesting...

Panamax

5,073 posts

41 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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If you want to show some background knowledge you can talk about carbon brakes first being developed for aircraft applications. Initially military aircraft and subsequently for Concord.

Similarly ABS braking was first devised for aircraft - the mechanical Dunlop Maxaret system. You'll find some interesting stuff on the link below. Modern ABS is radically different; highly dependent on electronics and digital control which only matured in the 1980s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxaret

It's also worth reading up on the history of Hitco (Californian carbon manufacturer) and AP Racing who first took carbon for brakes and clutches into Formula 1.
https://www.racetechmag.com/article/ap-racing-and-...