Is F1 really the pinnacle of motorsport?
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I was just watching Queen of Speed and it jostled a thought loose. Namely is F1 really the pinnacle of motorsport?
The degree of innovation in F1 is extreme for sure but is the degree of innovation really that much less in WRC? For my money the drivers in WRC are more skillful than those in F1....
Go on - pull me to shreds
The degree of innovation in F1 is extreme for sure but is the degree of innovation really that much less in WRC? For my money the drivers in WRC are more skillful than those in F1....
Go on - pull me to shreds
DodgyGeezer said:
The degree of innovation in F1 is extreme for sure but is the degree of innovation really that much less in WRC? For my money the drivers in WRC are more skillful than those in F1....
Are we talking technology innovation or driver ability ?I think that top class world rally drivers are the best drivers too........
SimonTheSailor said:
DodgyGeezer said:
The degree of innovation in F1 is extreme for sure but is the degree of innovation really that much less in WRC? For my money the drivers in WRC are more skillful than those in F1....
Are we talking technology innovation or driver ability ?I think that top class world rally drivers are the best drivers too........
Put a rally driver in an F1 car and they’re nowhere near the pace.
Jim Clark, Kimi, Kubica etc. i think the exception has been Loeb who tested at witching 1.5s of Kovaleinen (1-lap pace) but this is not the same as managing the car for the whole race.
Race of champions is a fun comparison but not really a good benchmark
Not for me; it might me the biggest, and most popular - I'm not sure that makes it the pinnacle.....Something often quoted by those involved in the sport to make themselves feel important.
l'd venture Sportscars/WEC have had more road relevant technology than F1; that is what Le Mans was all about - and still is.
Rallying hasn't brought any road relevant technology for 20-30 years.....In fact, it is now quite often the last series to introduce technology; hybrids a perfect example.
l'd venture Sportscars/WEC have had more road relevant technology than F1; that is what Le Mans was all about - and still is.
Rallying hasn't brought any road relevant technology for 20-30 years.....In fact, it is now quite often the last series to introduce technology; hybrids a perfect example.
I would say this.
F1 is only the pinnacle in terms of money and elite level engineering.
In terms of racing it is probably the worst type of motorsport that exists, it is hugely expensive to watch live, you hardly see anything, tv deals are dear and you are about as remote as it gets from the action you may aswell stay home and watch it live. but you cannot argue with the success, I have literally no idea why people want to watch it live, but they do, I consider them foolish, uneducated and a bit odd, when there is so much else to watch, but they know no better and want to be part of something they think exists for them lol!
there is not much motorsport I have not watched on two or four wheels, nearly all of it better than f1
F1 is only the pinnacle in terms of money and elite level engineering.
In terms of racing it is probably the worst type of motorsport that exists, it is hugely expensive to watch live, you hardly see anything, tv deals are dear and you are about as remote as it gets from the action you may aswell stay home and watch it live. but you cannot argue with the success, I have literally no idea why people want to watch it live, but they do, I consider them foolish, uneducated and a bit odd, when there is so much else to watch, but they know no better and want to be part of something they think exists for them lol!
there is not much motorsport I have not watched on two or four wheels, nearly all of it better than f1
Of course it is the pinnacle , despite competing claims from other disciplines . But - and it is very big 'but ' - F1 belongs at the pinnacle of the sport but is not a separate sport in its own right. For many years , since blanket coverage on TV , a cohort of fans has existed which regards motor sport and F 1 as synonymous , and which affects disdain for and disinterest in everything else.
Which is utter nonsense . I have watched , live at track side , everything from F 1/F2 / F3 to NASCAR , Top Fuellers to Sports Prototypes , BTCC , WRC rallies and much else besides . Each has a different appeal , but they are all part of the same sport. For me ,F1 may be at the pointy bit of the pyramid , but it is a bloody big pyramid , and there is a huge amount to enjoy at every level . It isn't necessary to have a competition on which is best - on the day every discipline has the capacity to enthral - or bore the audience silly .
Which is utter nonsense . I have watched , live at track side , everything from F 1/F2 / F3 to NASCAR , Top Fuellers to Sports Prototypes , BTCC , WRC rallies and much else besides . Each has a different appeal , but they are all part of the same sport. For me ,F1 may be at the pointy bit of the pyramid , but it is a bloody big pyramid , and there is a huge amount to enjoy at every level . It isn't necessary to have a competition on which is best - on the day every discipline has the capacity to enthral - or bore the audience silly .
LukeBrown66 said:
I would say this.
F1 is only the pinnacle in terms of money and elite level engineering.
In terms of racing it is probably the worst type of motorsport that exists, it is hugely expensive to watch live, you hardly see anything, tv deals are dear and you are about as remote as it gets from the action you may aswell stay home and watch it live. but you cannot argue with the success, I have literally no idea why people want to watch it live, but they do, I consider them foolish, uneducated and a bit odd, when there is so much else to watch, but they know no better and want to be part of something they think exists for them lol!
there is not much motorsport I have not watched on two or four wheels, nearly all of it better than f1
Now describe why the racing “is probably the worst type of motorsport that exists “ without your usual rant about live spectators and TV deals….F1 is only the pinnacle in terms of money and elite level engineering.
In terms of racing it is probably the worst type of motorsport that exists, it is hugely expensive to watch live, you hardly see anything, tv deals are dear and you are about as remote as it gets from the action you may aswell stay home and watch it live. but you cannot argue with the success, I have literally no idea why people want to watch it live, but they do, I consider them foolish, uneducated and a bit odd, when there is so much else to watch, but they know no better and want to be part of something they think exists for them lol!
there is not much motorsport I have not watched on two or four wheels, nearly all of it better than f1
Worst because you know the likely winners, the tracks are appalling, it is incredibly expensive to attend, there is immense disparity between the teams, who are inaccessible as are drivers to the fans, the racing is false using DRS and false means, the cars are too fast and aero too important, a tyre war is necessary to open things up, the sport is hidden behind paywalls not because it needs to be but because that is the trend and someone decided it was going to be, fans were not asked
Want me to carry on?
Want me to carry on?
LukeBrown66 said:
Worst because you know the likely winners, the tracks are appalling, it is incredibly expensive to attend, there is immense disparity between the teams, who are inaccessible as are drivers to the fans, the racing is false using DRS and false means, the cars are too fast and aero too important, a tyre war is necessary to open things up, the sport is hidden behind paywalls not because it needs to be but because that is the trend and someone decided it was going to be, fans were not asked
Want me to carry on?
All racing is governed by rules and regulations. People are labelling LM as top tier, yet look at the LMP1 category.Want me to carry on?
The Porsche LMP1 evo, no rules, no restrictions still lapped slower around Belgium than a governed F1 car.
Most sport is hidden behind paywalls, well the ones most people want to watch anyway.
F1 is most definitely the pinnacle.
Eric Mc said:
Agreed. I was disappointed when PH decided to shunt discussion about Formula 1 into its own separate forum. I thought it was indicative of the attitude that you are describing.
isn't that how most of the mainstream media operate; they have an F1 section, but not a motorsport section. I am not disputing F1 as the pinnacle, but you would have to pay me to watch it, every time I try I fall asleep yet could happily watch 8 hours of Petit the other week, F1 has simply outgrown me in terms of watchability.
But in terms of money, engineering, sponsors and talent, yes it is the pinnacle, but in just about every ay that matters to real fans it is way down the list of things to watch sadly.
I will NEVER pay to watch sport owned, run, and participated in by billionaires, sorry but if you do, more fool you.
But in terms of money, engineering, sponsors and talent, yes it is the pinnacle, but in just about every ay that matters to real fans it is way down the list of things to watch sadly.
I will NEVER pay to watch sport owned, run, and participated in by billionaires, sorry but if you do, more fool you.
LukeBrown66 said:
I will NEVER pay to watch sport owned, run, and participated in by billionaires, sorry but if you do, more fool you.
Isn't that all top level sports? I'd rather pay a relatively modest amount to watch sportspeople at the top of their game than waste my time coming on here to tell others that I specifically don't watch it, but each to their own!
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