Restart on 29 March?

[LucyP]

But with no crowds until 17 May?

[F12 Josh]

I imagine MSV would do something similar to last year allowing "day visitors" to their sites coincidently on the same day race events are happening. I would guess this maybe falls into the 12th April bracket with zoos and theme parks but it's just a guess.

[Ed Moses]

Confirmed by Motorsport UK: https://www.motorsportuk.org/motorsport-uk-confirm...

[WickerBill]

I would think crowds from 12 April at the latest.

Part 1a of rules on 29 March allows people into open spaces
Part 2 of rules on 12 April allows outdoor venues such as Zoos and theme parks to open

I don’t see what the difference between standing in a field at Oulton Park is different to standing looking at an elephant....

[Nampahc Niloc]

WickerBill said:

I would think crowds from 12 April at the latest.

Part 1a of rules on 29 March allows people into open spaces
Part 2 of rules on 12 April allows outdoor venues such as Zoos and theme parks to open

I don’t see what the difference between standing in a field at Oulton Park is different to standing looking at an elephant....

Depends who’s driving...

[LucyP]

Is it an "Event" or an "Attraction"? I think it's an event, whereas a zoo is an attraction, and it is therefore 17 May, not 12 April.

[WickerBill]

LucyP said:

Is it an "Event" or an "Attraction"? I think it's an event, whereas a zoo is an attraction, and it is therefore 17 May, not 12 April.

Its amazing that covid19 knows the difference between and event and an attraction. ;-)

Also from the 29 March outdoor sports venues are allowed to open.....id argue (and given form of how race tracks were classified last year) it will be 12 April....combine that with stadia being allowed to open on 17 May, i would suggest therefore it will be 12th April given the reduced risk at an outdoor motorsport venue compared to football stadium.

No doubt MSUK will update us in the next couple of days.

Edited by WickerBill on Wednesday 24th February 08:30

[Nampahc Niloc]

LucyP said:

Is it an "Event" or an "Attraction"? I think it's an event, whereas a zoo is an attraction, and it is therefore 17 May, not 12 April.

MSUK announced yesterday it would be 29 March.

Edit- sorry reread the post before, I assume you were talking about crowds being allowed back?

Edited by Nampahc Niloc on Wednesday 24th February 08:55

[WickerBill]

Nampahc Niloc said:

LucyP said:

Is it an "Event" or an "Attraction"? I think it's an event, whereas a zoo is an attraction, and it is therefore 17 May, not 12 April.

MSUK announced yesterday it would be 29 March.

I would hope Lucy was talking about spectators, it’s unclear yet if MSUKs announcement is spectators or just racing behind closed doors

[Nampahc Niloc]

WickerBill said:

I would hope Lucy was talking about spectators, it’s unclear yet if MSUKs announcement is spectators or just racing behind closed doors

Yeah- just edited my post. I hadn’t read the previous posts.

[Skylinecrazy]

MSV have stopped tickets sales throughout April by the looks of it.

At least they had when I looked yesterday.

[tardelli]

I purchased my tickets for Croft at Christmas, so I hope it runs.
(Fingers crossed)

[LucyP]

The 29 March restart is behind closed doors. The issue is when spectators will be allowed, and it isn't whether Corona knows the difference between an "attraction" and and "event", it's how the Government defines them. I think Alton Towers and Chester Zoo are "attractions" and race meetings at Silverstone and Cadwell Park are "events". As another person has said, since MSVR have removed tickets from sale prior to 17 May, they clearly agree with my interpretation.

[Truckosaurus]

Last year the distinction just seemed to be between Elite and non-Elite sports - hence places like Brands Hatch having big crowds for random club races, but behind closed doors for BTCC but now there's the clearer '4000 people from 17 May'.

I've just bought tickets for British GT on the 22/23rd May.

[WickerBill]

LucyP said:

The 29 March restart is behind closed doors. The issue is when spectators will be allowed, and it isn't whether Corona knows the difference between an "attraction" and and "event", it's how the Government defines them. I think Alton Towers and Chester Zoo are "attractions" and race meetings at Silverstone and Cadwell Park are "events". As another person has said, since MSVR have removed tickets from sale prior to 17 May, they clearly agree with my interpretation.

They have removed them from sale until they have assessed the governments wording. The legal definition of an Attraction is "An event or location that has a tendency to attract visitors." So Oulton Park for instance is clearly both an attraction and event.

The fact they ran meetings with spectators in limited capacity under the same restrictions last year suggests you may be wrong.

But hey, theres no point in arguing with someone who never likes to be wrong so i will stop there and accept your expanding waistline from humble pie as way of apology if you are incorrect :-)

Either way nether of us know for sure.....so while we can debate, you cannot categorically say im wrong or you are correct.

Edited by WickerBill on Wednesday 24th February 10:40

[andy97]

The question is, will motorsport events actually take place?

Yes, MSUK have said that they will start permitting meetings from 29 March but local travel only authorised until 12 April.
Will competitors, marshals and officials actually be able to stay over at or near race tracks?

Some competitors I know that are planning to race at Oulton on 10 April and stay at nearby Premier Inns have received an email saying that accommodation is only authorised if for work purposes - the wording is "If your stay doesn’t meet the criteria, we are not legally able to accommodate you and you’ll either need to amend your booking before 1pm on the day of arrival to a date after the restrictions have been lifted or cancel your stay and receive a full refund. We do however reserve the right to contact the police and/or local authority where we believe a stay is not permitted by law."

The camping and caravan club have advised that their camp sites will not be open until 12 April at the earliest and that even then facility blocks will not be open until 17 May. What this means is that campers must have their own self contained toilet facilities.

Now, I appreciate that this is the Camping and caravan club’s advice regarding their own sites, and not for eg MSVs or Silverstones or Trac Mons but it does indicate the way the wind is blowing!

Are motorsport events viable between 29 March 12 April if only available to locally based competitors? Are they viable between 12 April and 17 May if you can’t book a hotel and can only stay over if you can afford to book your own holiday let or have your own motorhome?

[df76]

andy97 said:

Are motorsport events viable between 29 March 12 April if only available to locally based competitors? Are they viable between 12 April and 17 May if you can’t book a hotel and can only stay over if you can afford to book your own holiday let or have your own motorhome?

Competitors will have to make tricky decisions. I had entered a sprint down at Goodwood, but it's not really a day trip and I'm not sure how much fun that would end up being. A friend is racing at Oulton on 10th April, but it's a long trip (if fairly easy sat on the M5 / M6). If the timetable is kind, that may work out especially if you can share tow car driving.

[Dynion Araf Uchaf]

I've contacted the 750MC regarding Cadwell on the 17th April. I think it will be cancelled as I can't see how we can be allowed to stay overnight as no hotels and no campsites, plus several hundred people at the circuit. The club /circuit may allowed those drivers with self contained facilities in motorhomes to stay over, and whilst there are a few of them, there are not enough to make a race meeting viable. Cadwell being a long way from anywhere 95% of the drivers will have travelled from out of area need to stay over. So not sure we're going racing in April. The club say that they are looking into it and awaiting a decision. Which tells you all you need to know.

[LucyP]

You can travel and stay over for work. If you are at a circuit working as an official or a marshal, then it's work.

[andy97]

I understand that there is a zoom meeting as I type between MSUK and some of the race organising clubs (no idea if rally clubs are invited, too) to discuss the implications and practical applications of the rules.