BTCC 2020 - Round 3 Oulton Park
Discussion
Sebring440 said:
Looking forward to this weekend, still no spectators but hopefully that's going to change soon. Let's see if Laser Tools Racing can keep adding to their podiums!
But the big news tonight is that the Knockhill round on Aug 30 will (hopefully) include spectators!
Unfortunately knockhill is not going to have spectators:But the big news tonight is that the Knockhill round on Aug 30 will (hopefully) include spectators!
https://www.knockhill.com/wordpress/2020/08/btcc-t...
Scooobydont said:
Unfortunately knockhill is not going to have spectators:
https://www.knockhill.com/wordpress/2020/08/btcc-t...
Nor Thruxton. Hadn't seen anything about it until I went to look at their website last night!!https://www.knockhill.com/wordpress/2020/08/btcc-t...
Pmr is back with mike bushell piloting the car. Rory butcher secures another pole for race 1. As the temps are cooler and oulton not being as hard on tyres if he has a good start he could easily win the first race and be in a good position for race2 which he needs to catch up with the leaders in the title.
I lost count of the number of times the commentators referenced Andy Neate for either spinning, driving off the track, getting in the way of others fast laps, and having lap times deleted due to repeated abuse of track limits 
The newly refinished run off areas on some corners, with sensors embedded, were certainly catching a lot of drivers out resulting in deleted times. So much so Ash Sutton got himself black flagged by the end of the session.
Copied over the full Qualification results:
1 Rory BUTCHER (GBR) Motorbase Performance 1m25.734s
2 Josh COOK (GBR) BTC Racing +0.089s
3 Colin TURKINGTON (GBR) Team BMW +0.237s
4 Matt NEAL (GBR) Halfords Yuasa Racing +0.252s
5 Dan CAMMISH (GBR) Halfords Yuasa Racing +0.384s
6 Jake HILL (GBR) MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square +0.410s
7 Tom CHILTON (GBR) BTC Racing +0.430s
8 Tom OLIPHANT (GBR) Team BMW +0.432s
9 Adam MORGAN (GBR) Carlube TripleR Racing with Mac Tools +0.525s
10 Chris SMILEY (GBR) Excelr8 Motorsport +0.530s
11 Ashley SUTTON (GBR) Laser Tools Racing +0.534s
12 Michael CREES (GBR) The Clever Baggers with BTC Racing +0.785s
13 Senna PROCTOR (GBR) Excelr8 Motorsport +0.788s
14 Tom INGRAM (GBR) Toyota Gazoo Racing UK with Ginsters +0.840s
15 Mike BUSHELL (GBR) Power Maxed Car Care Racing +0.849s
16 Ollie JACKSON (GBR) Motorbase Performance +0.859s
17 Carl BOARDLEY (GBR) HUB Financial Solutions with Team HARD +0.863s
18 Stephen JELLEY (GBR) Team Parker Racing +0.935s
19 Jack GOFF (GBR) RCIB Insurance with Fox Transport +1.059s
20 Sam OSBORNE (GBR) MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square +1.083s
21 Aiden MOFFAT (GBR) Laser Tools Racing +1.137s
22 James GORNALL (GBR) GKR TradePriceCars.com +1.313s
23 Andy NEATE (GBR) Motorbase Performance +1.343s
24 Jack BUTEL (GBR) Carlube TripleR Racing with Mac Tools +2.415s
25 Ollie BROWN (GBR) RCIB Insurance with Fox Transport Team HARD +1.691s
26 Nicolas HAMILTON (GBR) ROKiT Racing with Team HARD +2.081s
27 Bobby THOMPSON (GBR) GKR TradePriceCars.com NO TIME
The newly refinished run off areas on some corners, with sensors embedded, were certainly catching a lot of drivers out resulting in deleted times. So much so Ash Sutton got himself black flagged by the end of the session.
Copied over the full Qualification results:
1 Rory BUTCHER (GBR) Motorbase Performance 1m25.734s
2 Josh COOK (GBR) BTC Racing +0.089s
3 Colin TURKINGTON (GBR) Team BMW +0.237s
4 Matt NEAL (GBR) Halfords Yuasa Racing +0.252s
5 Dan CAMMISH (GBR) Halfords Yuasa Racing +0.384s
6 Jake HILL (GBR) MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square +0.410s
7 Tom CHILTON (GBR) BTC Racing +0.430s
8 Tom OLIPHANT (GBR) Team BMW +0.432s
9 Adam MORGAN (GBR) Carlube TripleR Racing with Mac Tools +0.525s
10 Chris SMILEY (GBR) Excelr8 Motorsport +0.530s
11 Ashley SUTTON (GBR) Laser Tools Racing +0.534s
12 Michael CREES (GBR) The Clever Baggers with BTC Racing +0.785s
13 Senna PROCTOR (GBR) Excelr8 Motorsport +0.788s
14 Tom INGRAM (GBR) Toyota Gazoo Racing UK with Ginsters +0.840s
15 Mike BUSHELL (GBR) Power Maxed Car Care Racing +0.849s
16 Ollie JACKSON (GBR) Motorbase Performance +0.859s
17 Carl BOARDLEY (GBR) HUB Financial Solutions with Team HARD +0.863s
18 Stephen JELLEY (GBR) Team Parker Racing +0.935s
19 Jack GOFF (GBR) RCIB Insurance with Fox Transport +1.059s
20 Sam OSBORNE (GBR) MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square +1.083s
21 Aiden MOFFAT (GBR) Laser Tools Racing +1.137s
22 James GORNALL (GBR) GKR TradePriceCars.com +1.313s
23 Andy NEATE (GBR) Motorbase Performance +1.343s
24 Jack BUTEL (GBR) Carlube TripleR Racing with Mac Tools +2.415s
25 Ollie BROWN (GBR) RCIB Insurance with Fox Transport Team HARD +1.691s
26 Nicolas HAMILTON (GBR) ROKiT Racing with Team HARD +2.081s
27 Bobby THOMPSON (GBR) GKR TradePriceCars.com NO TIME
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Saturday 22 August 19:46
Regarding Andy Neate, now I don't want to bash - I'm not trying to do that, just genuinely interested in where the difference lies.
It's easy to go fast in straight line, braking as late as you can to make the corner, not too challenging (I'm talking relatively speaking, Neate has participated in many BTCC races in lots of various cars), track limits he was all over so obviously committed and carrying good speed through corners. Where is the bit he's losing 1.3 seconds at? I'm honestly not singling out Neate - I'd be bloody happy to lap a BTCC car 1.3 seconds off pole, but it's just a good reference point seeing as his teammate in an identical car is fastest.
Wookie, as a teammate to Andy, if you're not too busy maybe you can have a go at this one?
It's easy to go fast in straight line, braking as late as you can to make the corner, not too challenging (I'm talking relatively speaking, Neate has participated in many BTCC races in lots of various cars), track limits he was all over so obviously committed and carrying good speed through corners. Where is the bit he's losing 1.3 seconds at? I'm honestly not singling out Neate - I'd be bloody happy to lap a BTCC car 1.3 seconds off pole, but it's just a good reference point seeing as his teammate in an identical car is fastest.
Wookie, as a teammate to Andy, if you're not too busy maybe you can have a go at this one?
Sorry it’s not really appropriate for me to comment directly about Andy but I can talk about how I ended up 8 tenths off
For a start it helps to not make a stupendously stupid and trivially rectified mistake on your first run
For your next run it also helps to not make the car slower trying to fix a non existent setup issue that you thought was costing you time when it was actually said stupid mistake
Finally the last two tenths come down to the give and take over the lap either through general setup or technique.
And all of that is ignoring all the lost laps with people buggering about in front of you warming their tyres when you’re on a fast lap and only moving out of the way at the last moment when they’ve already f
ked you up
On what should have been my best lap a couple of places I was faster than Rory, a couple of places I was slower, over the lap I ended up a couple of tenths down, pretty much all of what I lost was at the chicane so not necessarily where you’d expect.
It’s difficult to appreciate how small the differences are. Oulton has a lot of corners, a small mistake like not getting out of the brakes early enough or getting on the throttle too early can cost you two or three tenths. Braking 5-10 metres early at the chicane for example can be a tenth by itself
It doesn’t take many of those mistakes to add up to a chunk of time.
Rory has got himself and the car in the sweet spot for him at the moment where he can rock up and have the confidence to throw in a lap that’s getting pretty much everything out of the car.
If you get out of the wrong side of the bed in the morning or you’ve not quite got the car where you want it then you don’t get that confidence to hold the car at the limit, and it’s immediately an uphill battle.
For a start it helps to not make a stupendously stupid and trivially rectified mistake on your first run
For your next run it also helps to not make the car slower trying to fix a non existent setup issue that you thought was costing you time when it was actually said stupid mistake
Finally the last two tenths come down to the give and take over the lap either through general setup or technique.
And all of that is ignoring all the lost laps with people buggering about in front of you warming their tyres when you’re on a fast lap and only moving out of the way at the last moment when they’ve already f
ked you up On what should have been my best lap a couple of places I was faster than Rory, a couple of places I was slower, over the lap I ended up a couple of tenths down, pretty much all of what I lost was at the chicane so not necessarily where you’d expect.
It’s difficult to appreciate how small the differences are. Oulton has a lot of corners, a small mistake like not getting out of the brakes early enough or getting on the throttle too early can cost you two or three tenths. Braking 5-10 metres early at the chicane for example can be a tenth by itself
It doesn’t take many of those mistakes to add up to a chunk of time.
Rory has got himself and the car in the sweet spot for him at the moment where he can rock up and have the confidence to throw in a lap that’s getting pretty much everything out of the car.
If you get out of the wrong side of the bed in the morning or you’ve not quite got the car where you want it then you don’t get that confidence to hold the car at the limit, and it’s immediately an uphill battle.
The Wookie said:
Sorry it’s not really appropriate for me to comment directly about Andy but I can talk about how I ended up 8 tenths off
For a start it helps to not make a stupendously stupid and trivially rectified mistake on your first run
For your next run it also helps to not make the car slower trying to fix a non existent setup issue that you thought was costing you time when it was actually said stupid mistake
Finally the last two tenths come down to the give and take over the lap either through general setup or technique.
And all of that is ignoring all the lost laps with people buggering about in front of you warming their tyres when you’re on a fast lap and only moving out of the way at the last moment when they’ve already fked you up
On what should have been my best lap a couple of places I was faster than Rory, a couple of places I was slower, over the lap I ended up a couple of tenths down, pretty much all of what I lost was at the chicane so not necessarily where you’d expect.
It’s difficult to appreciate how small the differences are. Oulton has a lot of corners, a small mistake like not getting out of the brakes early enough or getting on the throttle too early can cost you two or three tenths. Braking 5-10 metres early at the chicane for example can be a tenth by itself
It doesn’t take many of those mistakes to add up to a chunk of time.
Rory has got himself and the car in the sweet spot for him at the moment where he can rock up and have the confidence to throw in a lap that’s getting pretty much everything out of the car.
If you get out of the wrong side of the bed in the morning or you’ve not quite got the car where you want it then you don’t get that confidence to hold the car at the limit, and it’s immediately an uphill battle.
That's it, let it all out!For a start it helps to not make a stupendously stupid and trivially rectified mistake on your first run
For your next run it also helps to not make the car slower trying to fix a non existent setup issue that you thought was costing you time when it was actually said stupid mistake
Finally the last two tenths come down to the give and take over the lap either through general setup or technique.
And all of that is ignoring all the lost laps with people buggering about in front of you warming their tyres when you’re on a fast lap and only moving out of the way at the last moment when they’ve already f
ked you up On what should have been my best lap a couple of places I was faster than Rory, a couple of places I was slower, over the lap I ended up a couple of tenths down, pretty much all of what I lost was at the chicane so not necessarily where you’d expect.
It’s difficult to appreciate how small the differences are. Oulton has a lot of corners, a small mistake like not getting out of the brakes early enough or getting on the throttle too early can cost you two or three tenths. Braking 5-10 metres early at the chicane for example can be a tenth by itself
It doesn’t take many of those mistakes to add up to a chunk of time.
Rory has got himself and the car in the sweet spot for him at the moment where he can rock up and have the confidence to throw in a lap that’s getting pretty much everything out of the car.
If you get out of the wrong side of the bed in the morning or you’ve not quite got the car where you want it then you don’t get that confidence to hold the car at the limit, and it’s immediately an uphill battle.
Best of luck tomorrow!
Well I'm glad you're not bitter about quali . Thanks for the detailed reply, lots of little bits of time here and there for various reasons is my takeaway from that. I guess you could probably be half a second off by just having a slightly poo setup. Not to mention inconsiderate drivers 'buggering about!'
. Thanks for the detailed reply, lots of little bits of time here and there for various reasons is my takeaway from that. I guess you could probably be half a second off by just having a slightly poo setup. Not to mention inconsiderate drivers 'buggering about!' 
Clean race one considering the conditions storming race for cook and hill coming through along with ingram. Rwd cars look to be struggling and what the hell was boardly doing going that quick on a formation lap. Cook looks to may have failed ride height checks so positions may change.
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