MSUK pulls the plug until at least the 30th April 2020
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Well that's it until at least the end of April.
https://www.motorsportuk.org/motorsport-uk-covid-1...
ACU have also done the same.
https://www.motorsportuk.org/motorsport-uk-covid-1...
ACU have also done the same.
Edited by Drumroll on Tuesday 17th March 14:34
They were just following the government guidelines. As soon as the Government actually came out and said to avoid gatherings they pulled the plug.
If they had stopped meetings a couple of weeks ago I guarantee there would have been a load of people complaining that it was an over reaction. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Following the official guidelines was the only sensible course in my book.
If they had stopped meetings a couple of weeks ago I guarantee there would have been a load of people complaining that it was an over reaction. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Following the official guidelines was the only sensible course in my book.
MSVR have announced that testing and track days will continue but no spectators.
Not sure how briefings will be done and not sure how it complies with the request to limit non-essential travel and limit social gatherings.
I understand that circuits have their own medical staff, too, but if someone did require hospital treatment that doesn’t help the overall picture. Circuit medical staff could also probably get agency work supporting the NHS?
But what do I know?
Not sure how briefings will be done and not sure how it complies with the request to limit non-essential travel and limit social gatherings.
I understand that circuits have their own medical staff, too, but if someone did require hospital treatment that doesn’t help the overall picture. Circuit medical staff could also probably get agency work supporting the NHS?
But what do I know?
I think it's an irresponsible attitude of MSV and I'm surprised, given that Palmer was a doc in a former life. I suspect it will change pretty quickly as things get worse, which in fairness is what they also say.
They generally don't have their own full-time medics, or only 1. They mainly have people who work in the NHS, and work at circuits on days off.
They generally don't have their own full-time medics, or only 1. They mainly have people who work in the NHS, and work at circuits on days off.
andy97 said:
MSVR have announced that testing and track days will continue but no spectators.
Not sure how briefings will be done and not sure how it complies with the request to limit non-essential travel and limit social gatherings.
I understand that circuits have their own medical staff, too, but if someone did require hospital treatment that doesn’t help the overall picture. Circuit medical staff could also probably get agency work supporting the NHS?
But what do I know?
Regarding briefings, Javelin at least have issued guidance which states they may take place elsewhere like outside and if you have attended the circuit recently you don't need to attend (Providing you sign your form stating this, or something to that effect).Not sure how briefings will be done and not sure how it complies with the request to limit non-essential travel and limit social gatherings.
I understand that circuits have their own medical staff, too, but if someone did require hospital treatment that doesn’t help the overall picture. Circuit medical staff could also probably get agency work supporting the NHS?
But what do I know?
LucyP said:
I think it's an irresponsible attitude of MSV and I'm surprised, given that Palmer was a doc in a former life. I suspect it will change pretty quickly as things get worse, which in fairness is what they also say.
They generally don't have their own full-time medics, or only 1. They mainly have people who work in the NHS, and work at circuits on days off.
I seem to remember that some time ago the ruling for the medical staff on rescue vehicles changed .They generally don't have their own full-time medics, or only 1. They mainly have people who work in the NHS, and work at circuits on days off.
To be licensed as a paramedic you had to be a qualified paramedic in your general employment .
My GP surgery has a paramedic practitioner who is a paramedic on the rescue/incedent vehicle at motorbike meetings .
One A&E Trauma consultant encouraged young doctors to engage in the motorsport medical field as it gave excellent hands on experience.
Many only ever get to see trauma victims after they have been stabilised and packaged by ambulance crews .
Circuit medics will tell you it's never routine or predictable at race circuits . Think lightning strikes and child birth at different locations of the site at the same time !.
grumpy52 said:
I seem to remember that some time ago the ruling for the medical staff on rescue vehicles changed .
To be licensed as a paramedic you had to be a qualified paramedic in your general employment .
My GP surgery has a paramedic practitioner who is a paramedic on the rescue/incedent vehicle at motorbike meetings .
One A&E Trauma consultant encouraged young doctors to engage in the motorsport medical field as it gave excellent hands on experience.
Many only ever get to see trauma victims after they have been stabilised and packaged by ambulance crews .
Circuit medics will tell you it's never routine or predictable at race circuits . Think lightning strikes and child birth at different locations of the site at the same time !.
Paramedic is a "protect title" which means to call your self a Paramedic you have to registered with the HCPC. (to maintain your registration you need to provide evidence you are still maintaining your skills)To be licensed as a paramedic you had to be a qualified paramedic in your general employment .
My GP surgery has a paramedic practitioner who is a paramedic on the rescue/incedent vehicle at motorbike meetings .
One A&E Trauma consultant encouraged young doctors to engage in the motorsport medical field as it gave excellent hands on experience.
Many only ever get to see trauma victims after they have been stabilised and packaged by ambulance crews .
Circuit medics will tell you it's never routine or predictable at race circuits . Think lightning strikes and child birth at different locations of the site at the same time !.
Rescue units are not crewed by Paramedics (never have been), although there is usually a paramedic or doctor as part of the crew that attend an incident.
grumpy52 said:
I seem to remember that some time ago the ruling for the medical staff on rescue vehicles changed .
To be licensed as a paramedic you had to be a qualified paramedic in your general employment .
My GP surgery has a paramedic practitioner who is a paramedic on the rescue/incedent vehicle at motorbike meetings .
One A&E Trauma consultant encouraged young doctors to engage in the motorsport medical field as it gave excellent hands on experience.
Many only ever get to see trauma victims after they have been stabilised and packaged by ambulance crews .
Circuit medics will tell you it's never routine or predictable at race circuits . Think lightning strikes and child birth at different locations of the site at the same time !.
Probably talking MSUK requirements for permit events. Not sure Testing carries the same requirements To be licensed as a paramedic you had to be a qualified paramedic in your general employment .
My GP surgery has a paramedic practitioner who is a paramedic on the rescue/incedent vehicle at motorbike meetings .
One A&E Trauma consultant encouraged young doctors to engage in the motorsport medical field as it gave excellent hands on experience.
Many only ever get to see trauma victims after they have been stabilised and packaged by ambulance crews .
Circuit medics will tell you it's never routine or predictable at race circuits . Think lightning strikes and child birth at different locations of the site at the same time !.
Track days and test days are not being permitted events, the clubs who run them and the circuits can basically put on what provisions they like. So you might get half a dozen paid marshals, a paramedic and an ambulance (if your lucky) and that could be it.
Regardless of the resources at the circuit, if something does go wrong it will take mean an extra strain on the NHS and possibly the fire brigade (if a driver is trapped) and in the worst case scenario the police.
Regardless of the resources at the circuit, if something does go wrong it will take mean an extra strain on the NHS and possibly the fire brigade (if a driver is trapped) and in the worst case scenario the police.
Edited by Drumroll on Friday 20th March 15:19
In that case everywhere should close down and people should stay in bed all day.
People are boating, mountain climbing, flying, cycling etc etc. Why single out track days as a bad thing?
There's plenty of things people are doing at home, such as diy,drinking, smoking, taking drugs etc that are just as likely to lead to a "strain" on the emergency services when they go wrong.
I'm all for being sensible but officials are already saying social distancing will have to be in place for a year so people have to be able to do things otherwise we'll have a raft of other issues when it's all over.
People are boating, mountain climbing, flying, cycling etc etc. Why single out track days as a bad thing?
There's plenty of things people are doing at home, such as diy,drinking, smoking, taking drugs etc that are just as likely to lead to a "strain" on the emergency services when they go wrong.
I'm all for being sensible but officials are already saying social distancing will have to be in place for a year so people have to be able to do things otherwise we'll have a raft of other issues when it's all over.
"There's plenty of things people are doing at home, such as diy,drinking, smoking, taking drugs etc that are just as likely to lead to a "strain" on the emergency services when they go wrong."
Not really. Have a look at the list of Screwfix closures. DIY is effectively out. There was a report in the papers this morning of people queuing across a Tesco car park at 5am, and all the pubs and clubs are closed, so it's quite hard to buy beer and cigarettes. Taking drugs is the only risk left, as you can guarantee that the drug dealers will still deliver!
And just ask a hospital medic what hospitals are like at the moment, and you will think very carefully about taking any risks. You really wouldn't want to be there with something simple like a broken wrist from hitting the tyre barrier on your trackday, at the moment.
Not really. Have a look at the list of Screwfix closures. DIY is effectively out. There was a report in the papers this morning of people queuing across a Tesco car park at 5am, and all the pubs and clubs are closed, so it's quite hard to buy beer and cigarettes. Taking drugs is the only risk left, as you can guarantee that the drug dealers will still deliver!
And just ask a hospital medic what hospitals are like at the moment, and you will think very carefully about taking any risks. You really wouldn't want to be there with something simple like a broken wrist from hitting the tyre barrier on your trackday, at the moment.
Drumroll said:
Track days and test days are not being permitted events, the clubs who run them and the circuits can basically put on what provisions they like. So you might get half a dozen paid marshals, a paramedic and an ambulance (if your lucky) and that could be it.
Regardless of the resources at the circuit, if something does go wrong it will take mean an extra strain on the NHS and possibly the fire brigade (if a driver is trapped) and in the worst case scenario the police.
I can't speak for other circuits, but I know a little about my local one. Regardless of the resources at the circuit, if something does go wrong it will take mean an extra strain on the NHS and possibly the fire brigade (if a driver is trapped) and in the worst case scenario the police.
Edited by Drumroll on Friday 20th March 15:19
On any track day you'll get a team of at least nine fully trained marshals, a fully equipped medical centre with two paramedics for car events and four for bikes.
The numbers were crunched very recently, and it was found that 0.3% of bike trackday participants had to be transferred to the NHS for further care or assistance, 0% of car participants.
The guy delivering your takeaway tonight is more likely to be a potential strain on the NHS.
Rockatansky said:
I can't speak for other circuits, but I know a little about my local one.
On any track day you'll get a team of at least nine fully trained marshals, a fully equipped medical centre with two paramedics for car events and four for bikes.
The numbers were crunched very recently, and it was found that 0.3% of bike trackday participants had to be transferred to the NHS for further care or assistance, 0% of car participants.
The guy delivering your takeaway tonight is more likely to be a potential strain on the NHS.
Sure, but if the track day wasn’t going ahead then those medical people could be redeployed to the local GP surgery, A&E, care home or in the community.On any track day you'll get a team of at least nine fully trained marshals, a fully equipped medical centre with two paramedics for car events and four for bikes.
The numbers were crunched very recently, and it was found that 0.3% of bike trackday participants had to be transferred to the NHS for further care or assistance, 0% of car participants.
The guy delivering your takeaway tonight is more likely to be a potential strain on the NHS.
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