RE: FIA lowers budgets for WEC hypercar class

RE: FIA lowers budgets for WEC hypercar class

Thursday 18th October 2018

FIA lowers budgets for WEC hypercar class

Aston Martin and Koenigsegg are among the interested brands that could spend £17.6 million per season to race



The FIA is bidding to draw in major manufacturers to its revamped top World Endurance Championship class by slashing costs and implementing tighter regulations for closer racing. The FIA and series promoter Automobile Club de l'Ouest said when the new, hypercar-based category takes the place of today's LMP1 class from 2020, it's estimated to cost teams around 20 million euros a year. Which is just shy of £17.6 million of her majesty's money, and a downright bargain compared to the £200m it costs to race in F1.

The new figure is also five million euros (£4.8m) less than the previous lowest estimate provided by the FIA. This would suggest motorsport's governing body is working hard to make the WEC as appealing as possible so brands like Aston Martin and Koenigsegg - which have both expressed interest in the new category - can help to inject some excitement back into the sharp end of the world's premiere endurance category. Because it needs it.


Technically, there won't be a budget cap, meaning teams can turn up with lorry loads of cash and serve the finest caviar in their catering awnings, should they want. But the FIA believes carefully imposed limits for car design should prevent any spending above the 20 million euro estimate from gaining a team an advantage on track. That's hard to believe, given the ineffectiveness of F1's tight regulation controls, but we're certainly hoping it's true. A close category of hypercar racers sounds very good to us.

Since the new cars would be based on roadgoing hypercars, such as the Valkyrie and, perhaps, the Agera's successor (the idea has been teased), they'll be slower than the thoroughbred LMP1 prototypes. The FIA estimates that the hypercars would ultimately take around five seconds longer to complete a hot lap of Le Mans than 2018's quickest machine, the Toyota TS050 Hybrid. But anyone who's seen that car or its former rivals tackle the esses at Circuit de la Sarthe up close will know shaving five seconds off the 8.5-mile lap shouldn't exactly make the cars unspectacular.


The cars will still make use of hybrid powertrains, as well, so straight-line performance should remain comparable to today's LMP1 cars. The proposed regulations would require hybrid power and all-wheel drive, like the present top rules, and - to make it easier for privateers to compete - manufacturers would be required to offer their electric propulsion systems for purchase or lease. A two million euro lease figure for a two-car team has been proposed.

While we shouldn't get too ahead of ourselves, because the WEC's new regulations are all provisional and subject to change, the wheels are certainly now rolling. A 'final draft' of the category rules will be produced next month before the FIA World Motor Sport Council decides whether to sign it off on 5 December. Let's hope that's followed by a swathe of interest from hypercardom's biggest brands.

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Geoffcapes

Original Poster:

828 posts

171 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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They really need to do this.

Imagine an LMP 1 class of Koeniggsegg, Pagani, Aston, Ferrari, Porsche McLaren hypercars.

It would actually be worth going to Le Mans to watch the racing!

anonymous-user

61 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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Might see Alonso back in a McLaren !

jwwbowe

634 posts

179 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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Geoffcapes said:
They really need to do this.
Agreed. More manufacturers really need to start getting back into all forms of motorsport before all but the diehards lose interest completely. BTCC and WRC while having some fantastic drivers have largely lost the appeal of being linked to cars available to buy. I get the cars should be a fairly level playing field to allow driver skill to come through but different manufacturers using the same engine (i.e DTM) is nonsense IMO, the variety is part of the draw to it, even it out with mass penalties if you have to. Hate to dwell on the past but look at those fantastic revival races where you have Minis squaring up to Ford Galaxies, brilliant. Also remember homologation road car rules have bought us some of the best to drive and most innovative roads cars we have ever seen.

Kraken

1,710 posts

207 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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Think they should just beef up the GTE cars rather than going to the expense of a complete new set of cars.

thegreenhell

17,254 posts

226 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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I think many people will be disappointed when this doesn't result in a grid full of Valkyries, Sennas and AMG Ones.

bobo79

300 posts

156 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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I think author of this hasn’t really read much about the new rules. There is zero chance of anything based on a Valkyrie, Senna or what have you. These will be prototypes with a slight nod towards roadcar styling. They will not in any way be road cars.

cidered77

1,722 posts

204 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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Kraken said:
Think they should just beef up the GTE cars rather than going to the expense of a complete new set of cars.
...and what about the LMP2s, currently 25 seconds a lap faster than GTE?

cidered77

1,722 posts

204 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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bobo79 said:
I think author of this hasn’t really read much about the new rules. There is zero chance of anything based on a Valkyrie, Senna or what have you. These will be prototypes with a slight nod towards roadcar styling. They will not in any way be road cars.
They will be proper race cars with proper race chassis, and not a single part carried over to road cars agreed - but for marketing reasons, I have no doubt the likes of McLaren, Porsche, Aston, maybe Ferrari, etc will still field a Le Mans prototype with similar styling and the same name as their road variant.

It's a very smart approach i think - some sensible measures to reduce cost (no tyre war; less testing), and the rules mandates a cost cap for selling the hybrid bits to privateers. The hybrid parts being so complex before stopped the likes of Rebellion, SMP, Strakka, etc from ever truly competing for the win, and a manufacturer ever seriously considering selling cars to private teams - like Audi in the 00s, and Porsche in the 80s.

Engine freedom as well - means we have varied grids, manufacture battles, great sounding cars and a lot to look forward to at Le Mans.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

205 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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How many years would it take to eliminate 5 seconds a lap?

FredericRobinson

3,940 posts

239 months

Thursday 18th October 2018
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These will not be 'based on road going hypercars'. Very sloppy stuff.

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

104 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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cidered77 said:
bobo79 said:
I think author of this hasn’t really read much about the new rules. There is zero chance of anything based on a Valkyrie, Senna or what have you. These will be prototypes with a slight nod towards roadcar styling. They will not in any way be road cars.
They will be proper race cars with proper race chassis, and not a single part carried over to road cars agreed - but for marketing reasons, I have no doubt the likes of McLaren, Porsche, Aston, maybe Ferrari, etc will still field a Le Mans prototype with similar styling and the same name as their road variant.

It's a very smart approach i think - some sensible measures to reduce cost (no tyre war; less testing), and the rules mandates a cost cap for selling the hybrid bits to privateers. The hybrid parts being so complex before stopped the likes of Rebellion, SMP, Strakka, etc from ever truly competing for the win, and a manufacturer ever seriously considering selling cars to private teams - like Audi in the 00s, and Porsche in the 80s.

Engine freedom as well - means we have varied grids, manufacture battles, great sounding cars and a lot to look forward to at Le Mans.
A very exciting prospect indeed.

Kraken

1,710 posts

207 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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cidered77 said:
...and what about the LMP2s, currently 25 seconds a lap faster than GTE?
Drop LMP2. It's the same issue as LMP1 for the average punter. They can't identify with the cars at all.

https://www.autosport.com/wec/feature/8532/forget-...

37chevy

3,280 posts

163 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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Kraken said:
Drop LMP2. It's the same issue as LMP1 for the average punter. They can't identify with the cars at all.

https://www.autosport.com/wec/feature/8532/forget-...
Sorry but I disagree. LMP2 has been an incredibly competitive class for the last few years. if you just want GT racing then watch blancpain.

in reality the ACO need to swallow their pride, implement the highly successful DPi rules from America. produces brand relevant cars with a variety of engines at minimal cost.

entropy

5,648 posts

210 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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Kraken said:
Think they should just beef up the GTE cars rather than going to the expense of a complete new set of cars.
What's sorely missed and left a gaping hole in WEC are the Chevy Corvettes. Get rid of GTE Am and replace it with GT3 - been wishful thinking for years.

bobo79 said:
I think author of this hasn’t really read much about the new rules. There is zero chance of anything based on a Valkyrie, Senna or what have you. These will be prototypes with a slight nod towards roadcar styling. They will not in any way be road cars.
Agreed but the blame lays at the ACO who have overhyped the concept by referring the new cars as 'hypercars' and now most people think the Valkyries and Senna will be racing. They won't. Its basically going to be LMP1 version of IMSA's DPi with hybrid tech.

37chevy said:
Kraken said:
Drop LMP2. It's the same issue as LMP1 for the average punter. They can't identify with the cars at all.

https://www.autosport.com/wec/feature/8532/forget-...
Sorry but I disagree. LMP2 has been an incredibly competitive class for the last few years. if you just want GT racing then watch blancpain.

in reality the ACO need to swallow their pride, implement the highly successful DPi rules from America. produces brand relevant cars with a variety of engines at minimal cost.
Agreed. The P2 cars are now spectacular to watch and incredibly competitive class. FFS, Jackie Chan DC Racing led a huge chunk of LM last year and the IMSA DPi's have revived sportscar racing in America - IMSA best sportscar series in the world.

The reason the average punter can't identify with the cars is because prototypes have suffered the same problems as F1 - they all look the same and have the same fugly blunt front-end (its to help push air around the car) so the only way differentiate the cars will be recognisable manufacture front ends which is what IMSA did with DPi's.



//j17

4,616 posts

230 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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entropy said:
The reason the average punter can't identify with the cars is because prototypes have suffered the same problems as F1 - they all look the same...
Well that's what happens when you limit yourself to 4 chassis manufacturers and only 1 of them is any good (2 'OK', 1 just st to the point there wasn't a single example on this year's 24hr grid).

dunnoreally

1,113 posts

115 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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Geoffcapes said:
They really need to do this.

Imagine an LMP 1 class of Koeniggsegg, Pagani, Aston, Ferrari, Porsche McLaren hypercars.

It would actually be worth going to Le Mans to watch the racing!
Now where have I heard that one before... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_U-7ADHefg

cidered77

1,722 posts

204 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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Kraken said:
cidered77 said:
...and what about the LMP2s, currently 25 seconds a lap faster than GTE?
Drop LMP2. It's the same issue as LMP1 for the average punter. They can't identify with the cars at all.

https://www.autosport.com/wec/feature/8532/forget-...
And who cares about that? Le Mans, as per 90% of all the racing cars in the world, are mostly funded by the drivers/owners -for the love of the sport.

Dropping LMP2 as a prospect is insane. Guess less insane if you tune into BTCC and F1 occasionally as a punter - but if you're in the sport, in the teams, and compete each week, that suggestion is bonkers. LMP2 has been a great success, and employs a lot of people, and gives great racing if you can take the time to understand it.

Kraken

1,710 posts

207 months

Saturday 20th October 2018
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Did you read the article? Seemed radical to me when I first read it as well, but there are some very good points in there.

At the end of the day it boils down to what the aims of the series actually are. F1 is massively more popular and so is BTCC if you scale it for the domestic market.

Yes most motorsport is funded by the drivers themselves for the love of it but I'm pretty sure the likes of Ford aren't competing in WEC for that reason. They want the best marketing bang for their buck.