RE: FIA confirms hypercars for Le Mans

RE: FIA confirms hypercars for Le Mans

Thursday 7th June 2018

FIA confirms hypercar design for Le Mans

"Freedom of design for brands based on a 'Hypercar' concept" is coming from 2020...



With a dearth of LMP1 entrants following the departure of Porsche and Audi, the World Endurance Championship was desperately in need of some good news. Sure, the GTE field has been better than ever in recent times, with a host of diverse and exciting sportscars, but the premier division is looking a little bare.

Fortunately that looks set to change with the FIA today confirming its 2020 WEC regulations will allow hypercars to enter the competition. It's part of a plan to reduce P1 budgets to a quarter of where they currently sit, the various manufacturers will be allowed "freedom of design" based on what the FIA is calling "a 'Hypercar' concept." While it apparently doesn't mean race versions of the cars of that ilk that are imminent - AMG Project One, Aston Valkyrie, Senna GTR, Brabham BT62 - it should be designs that are more closely linked to the road cars. When you consider the success of GT3 and GT3-style racing, that can't be a bad thing. Hopefully a more prominent role in motorsport could encourage more manufactuers to create similar cars: the Holy Trinity replacements, whatever Koenigsegg might conjure up next, and a potential Pagani replacement for the Zonda R.


The FIA says that more details about the 2020 Technical Regulations will be released at Le Mans next week, with a plan to encourage more female drivers into the WEC as well. Stay tuned...

Furthermore, the World Motor Sport Council decisions have also detailed that WRX will go electric from 2020. The FIA Electric World Rallycross Championship will stick to the same championship format as is currently used, but with four-wheel drive 'Silhouette-type' cars (with chassis from Oreca) and motors to Formula E spec. At the moment that means two motors from Williams for a total of 500kW along with "some restrictions aimed at controlling costs and development."


While the use of electric powertrains from one supplier and a control chassis for rallycross may ruffle a few feathers, it's worth remembering what Sebastien Loeb said about the move just a couple of weeks ago when PH interviewed him: "We don't dream about electric cars, but if the future for all cars is to be electric then it's normal that we'd make the swap. And in this case I think Rallycross is the best series to do it because it's very short, you have a lot of power, very fast cars and an intense fight, so I hope the spectators will still enjoy it without the noise. I think it will be important to find a way to make it a show, but for sure the performance will be there."

That's the opinion of Loeb then, but what about you? Will electric powertrains improve the spectacle of World Rallycross? And what about the change to WEC regs? Is the move to hypercars the shot in the arm that the series needs? Motorsport looks set to change pretty drastically over the next few years, that's for certain!




 

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echazfraz

Original Poster:

772 posts

154 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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Awesome.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

195 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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Great news for Le Mans

When the flag drops the BS stops etc.


MrBennStep

23 posts

182 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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"With a dearth of LMP1 entrants following the departure of Porsche and Audi..."

There are ten cars from six teams running in LMP1 this year. OK only one manufacturer, but still more cars than I think there has been in the last five or so years (stands back ready to be corrected...).

Even when we had Audi, Porsche and Toyota a few years ago they only had two cars each, and possibly one or two Rebellions.

However, a race featuring all those hypercars would be pretty great. Can't see how it would necessarily be cheaper to run those hypercars round though.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

205 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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Electric Rallycross ? No more one-off mental supercars? frown

Ahonen

5,023 posts

286 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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MrBennStep said:
Even when we had Audi, Porsche and Toyota a few years ago they only had two cars each, and possibly one or two Rebellions.
There were at least three Audis for LM for many years (sometimes four), plus three Porsches in '15 at least. And two Toyotas, three Nissans and the Rebellions.

The difference then was that eight cars were in the fight for the lead. This year that won't be the case.

TheTyreAbuser

170 posts

105 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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GT1 mk2? Sign me up!

I kinda thought it might go this way with the amount of hypercars multiplying by the month, why not just race them? And it seems someone else thought so too.

Obviously the GT1 LM series went the way of LMP1 with manufacturer overspending until it became "impossible" for teams to afford it. But still, making these hypercars, that haven't exactly been relevant to a lot of people, more interesting/viable through racing makes it all that bit more interesting.

Kraken

1,710 posts

207 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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CrutyRammers said:
Electric Rallycross ? No more one-off mental supercars? frown
An electric rallycross car can be every bit as and probably more mental than any of the current supercars that are in the series. Massive torque and horsepower.

Sandpit Steve

11,371 posts

81 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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CrutyRammers said:
Electric Rallycross ? No more one-off mental supercars? frown
Even worse, spec silhouette rallycross with what are pretty much 4wd FE cars.

If they want to advance electric technology, the FIA needs to run a constructors’ championship like F1 for electric cars - have Nissan, GM, Tesla, Jaguar and VAG racing each other, with vehicles that can act as prototypes and test platforms for their road car efforts.

Formula E isn’t F1 for electric cars, it’s Formula Ford for electric cars, but with a big marketing budget to attract some named drivers.

Le Mans HyperCar idea sounds awesome though, can’t wait to see these proposals.

Slb89

75 posts

146 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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I think as above says,

the race is Toyota's to lose, I don't see any real challenge coming from any of the other teams, only Toyota's reliability is at question in this one... this is why LMP1 class has lost its appeal for a lot of us.

so this would add a very cool class of cars to the mix, LMP1 still needs a revision or shake up to me, or just removed altogether, i'd prefere to see it stay but only if they can have 6-8 cars all with a genuine challenge else, the 6 other cars may as well be in their own class as clearly the hybrid has an advantage if it doesn't brake down.



GrahamG

1,091 posts

274 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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A classic example of when a little information is a bad thing

These will NOT be the 'hypercars' that the writer suggests - rather they will be full racing prototypes with hypercar styling cues

Matt Bird

1,474 posts

212 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 7th June 2018
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GrahamG said:
A classic example of when a little information is a bad thing

These will NOT be the 'hypercars' that the writer suggests - rather they will be full racing prototypes with hypercar styling cues
Have you just emailed as well? Thanks for being thorough! Making amends now.

isaldiri

20,299 posts

175 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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GrahamG said:
A classic example of when a little information is a bad thing

These will NOT be the 'hypercars' that the writer suggests - rather they will be full racing prototypes with hypercar styling cues
^ this. more silhouette racing like in GTE where the cars have very very little in common with the road cars they are supposed to be based on.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

225 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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We are on the verge of the end of Motorsport, electric motorsport will lose its appeal with the next generation and eventually die off. Good time to be alive, lucky we got to see it.

cvega

441 posts

166 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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CrutyRammers said:
Electric Rallycross ? No more one-off mental supercars? frown
500kW not enough for you ?

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

163 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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cvega said:
CrutyRammers said:
Electric Rallycross ? No more one-off mental supercars? frown
500kW not enough for you ?
100PS more than current cars, which are already stupendous.

The ICE cars do 0-60mph in 1.8 seconds...the EV cars? eek

Dynamic Space Wizard

940 posts

111 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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Oh good, I'll order a hypercar and race at Le Mans then.

Oh no, I've just realised, I can't get one because they're all sold out and I couldn't get on any of the lists.

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

134 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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Dynamic Space Wizard said:
Oh good, I'll order a hypercar and race at Le Mans then.

Oh no, I've just realised, I can't get one because they're all sold out and I couldn't get on any of the lists.
You tried Drive The Deal?

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

104 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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YES PLEASE

Vitorio

4,296 posts

150 months

Friday 8th June 2018
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Aw that is kinda sad, if it means current LMP1 cars are done for, i rather love the futuristic look of prototypes right now...

On the other hand, unless the FIA want to scrap LMP2 from the WEC, this newly revived GT1 style class needs to be just as fast as lmp1 is now, and if it gets the like of ferrari, mclaren, aston, merc all interested based on their halo cars, yes please!

Then again, it also probably means the end of le-mans for toyota frown

df76

3,823 posts

285 months

Friday 8th June 2018
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Vitorio said:
Then again, it also probably means the end of le-mans for toyota frown
Pretty sure that their project will end at the conclusion of the current super season in any case.