2016 BRC - British Rally Championship
Discussion
Seeing as BTCC gets a thread, and individual WRC events get one, the BRC should get one too.
The new, improved BRC gets relaunched for 2016 allowing R5 cars as the headline act.
7 rounds a mixture of gravel & Tarmac.
All kicks off tonight with the Mid Wales Stages; 2 stages HaftenSweetlamb and Myherin ( featuring Pikes Peak hairpins); continues tomorrow with 4 more stages - giving a grand total of 70 stage miles.......
http://msabrc.com
The new, improved BRC gets relaunched for 2016 allowing R5 cars as the headline act.
7 rounds a mixture of gravel & Tarmac.
All kicks off tonight with the Mid Wales Stages; 2 stages HaftenSweetlamb and Myherin ( featuring Pikes Peak hairpins); continues tomorrow with 4 more stages - giving a grand total of 70 stage miles.......
http://msabrc.com
Edited by Alex Langheck on Saturday 5th March 13:15
I had been intending to attend the Riponian here in N Yorks - until I heard that of the 7 stages only one was available for spectating and that was on from 'allocated enclosures ' only. So f**k that- that's the end of my rallying after 40 odd years . Cheers MSA ... just wonder who you now expect to support noisy motorsport in a National Park if you prevent its supporters from attending ?
coppice said:
I had been intending to attend the Riponian here in N Yorks - until I heard that of the 7 stages only one was available for spectating and that was on from 'allocated enclosures ' only. So f**k that- that's the end of my rallying after 40 odd years . Cheers MSA ... just wonder who you now expect to support noisy motorsport in a National Park if you prevent its supporters from attending ?
Surely after 40 years you should know your way around especially if the Riponian is your local event.Access to all the stages was easy enough if you knew where to go.
JoyDivision said:
coppice said:
I had been intending to attend the Riponian here in N Yorks - until I heard that of the 7 stages only one was available for spectating and that was on from 'allocated enclosures ' only. So f**k that- that's the end of my rallying after 40 odd years . Cheers MSA ... just wonder who you now expect to support noisy motorsport in a National Park if you prevent its supporters from attending ?
Surely after 40 years you should know your way around especially if the Riponian is your local event.Access to all the stages was easy enough if you knew where to go.
It isn't PR - that isn't the real problem at all (even though it can be on some stages like Boltby ). What is the problem- or so I am told by organisers - is that unrestricted access is now verboten by MSA and controlled enclosures are mandatory . And yes- I do know my way around, it is surprising what you come across on a country walk ....
But the fact that many don't know the alternatives doesn't bode well for the future and I resent the fact that my viewing has to be clandestine . What is also sad is that I would fully understand all public access being banned thanks to the disgusting behaviour of a few- last rally I attended I collected two big bags of rubbish and saw saplings snapped off so some knuckle dragger could get a better view
But the fact that many don't know the alternatives doesn't bode well for the future and I resent the fact that my viewing has to be clandestine . What is also sad is that I would fully understand all public access being banned thanks to the disgusting behaviour of a few- last rally I attended I collected two big bags of rubbish and saw saplings snapped off so some knuckle dragger could get a better view
coppice said:
It isn't PR - that isn't the real problem at all (even though it can be on some stages like Boltby ). What is the problem- or so I am told by organisers - is that unrestricted access is now verboten by MSA and controlled enclosures are mandatory . And yes- I do know my way around, it is surprising what you come across on a country walk ....
But the fact that many don't know the alternatives doesn't bode well for the future and I resent the fact that my viewing has to be clandestine . What is also sad is that I would fully understand all public access being banned thanks to the disgusting behaviour of a few- last rally I attended I collected two big bags of rubbish and saw saplings snapped off so some knuckle dragger could get a better view
It's not litter or the countryside code that's the issue.But the fact that many don't know the alternatives doesn't bode well for the future and I resent the fact that my viewing has to be clandestine . What is also sad is that I would fully understand all public access being banned thanks to the disgusting behaviour of a few- last rally I attended I collected two big bags of rubbish and saw saplings snapped off so some knuckle dragger could get a better view
It's people being silly in their viewing and too many of them getting killed. It's not fair on the competitors or the organisers to drag them through the courts because somebody decides to sit in a deckchair in a dangerous spot, and a car collides with them. If the sport had not changed how spectators were handled it faced being shut down completely. Deliberately standing outside of the designate places could still see the sport shut down if many people do it.
The few are spoiling it for the many, nothing else to it as far as I can see. Litter is and always has been an issue on events. I've even hung a black bag off the back of the car for litter when I'm close to spectator areas, and yet I'll usually be picking the litter up from everywhere else other than just tying a full bag up.
Even on Wales Rally where skips were put in at the top of car park areas for rubbish, the skips were left virtually empty and bags of rubbish were lent against the skip or the portaloos.
With regards to being penned in and ruining your decades of enjoyment, all I can suggest is do as you've already been, get away from the mass areas to somewhere quieter. with the state rallying is in you're unlikely to encounter a marshal if events this year so far are anything to go by! Just be smart about it. If a jobsworth comes up and asks you to move on then take it on the chin and move. there's no point arguing with them as they'll only bring you down to their level of stupidity
Even on Wales Rally where skips were put in at the top of car park areas for rubbish, the skips were left virtually empty and bags of rubbish were lent against the skip or the portaloos.
With regards to being penned in and ruining your decades of enjoyment, all I can suggest is do as you've already been, get away from the mass areas to somewhere quieter. with the state rallying is in you're unlikely to encounter a marshal if events this year so far are anything to go by! Just be smart about it. If a jobsworth comes up and asks you to move on then take it on the chin and move. there's no point arguing with them as they'll only bring you down to their level of stupidity
As an active marshal I like to think me calling some 'Jobsworths' is pretty accurate. I quite possibly have been called the same.
Late last year I was on a junction at on a single venue event. There was a No Spectator area designated close by and despite my advice to the fact, there was simply nothing I could to stop the flock of people passing me to get to the area.
A 'senior official' was present at the location and could also do nothing to stop them being there.
Spectator safety came through for the opening loop, stopped at the location, advised everyone that they were in an unauthorised area and drove off, seeing that the lone marshal was being quickly over run, I went down there with another in my group and got everyone that wasn't up on the banking to stand up there. The event passed without a hitch at the location and not once after that did any official car stop to threaten the rally being stopped, even with people all over the place.
Late last year I was on a junction at on a single venue event. There was a No Spectator area designated close by and despite my advice to the fact, there was simply nothing I could to stop the flock of people passing me to get to the area.
A 'senior official' was present at the location and could also do nothing to stop them being there.
Spectator safety came through for the opening loop, stopped at the location, advised everyone that they were in an unauthorised area and drove off, seeing that the lone marshal was being quickly over run, I went down there with another in my group and got everyone that wasn't up on the banking to stand up there. The event passed without a hitch at the location and not once after that did any official car stop to threaten the rally being stopped, even with people all over the place.
RyanTank said:
As an active marshal I like to think me calling some 'Jobsworths' is pretty accurate.
Most marshalls are good, but you do get the odd power-tripping idiot.
Generally I'll respect their requests even if they're obviously wrong because I know that events won't happen without the volunteers, I can only remember one occasion where a marshall was so bad (seemed like they had never even seen a rally let alone marshalled before) that I completely ignored them and just walked past and carried on.
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 8th March 03:00
I really enjoyed the event! Great stages, company, action and pleasantly surprised by the pace of the junior drivers in the Fiestas, Twingo and Adams. Got to say the Adam looks a funny car, but it makes a great noise and the drivers were properly on it! Also on it was Evans, on stage 6 his speed could only be described with expletives it was so much more than anyone else's!
Some pics..
BRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on Flickr
BRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on Flickr
BRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on Flickr
BRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on Flickr
BRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on Flickr
https://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/albums/72157...
Roll on the Nicky Grist Stages
Some pics..
BRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on FlickrBRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on FlickrBRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on FlickrBRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on FlickrBRC Mid Wales Stages 2016 by Alastair Cummins, on Flickrhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/albums/72157...
Roll on the Nicky Grist Stages
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