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Watched the full film yesterday.
Don't think this is really spoiling it.
But, basically they have made the whole thing into an Ayrton vs Alain War movie. Huge waste in my book, Senna in F1 was so much more than just at war with Prost. I thought this was going to celebrate his whole life, not the interaction with one person. Christ, they mention Mansell maybe twice, just in passing in the whole film.
Really not what I was expecting - yep it was good, but way short of what it should have be. I think they got some good footage out of a Prost interview and thought, lets spin most of a documentary round this! They got a few ex-commentators - interviewed them and editted it, job done. Sad really.
Should have been Fantastic, and massive oppurtunity missed (HUGE).
Don't think this is really spoiling it.
But, basically they have made the whole thing into an Ayrton vs Alain War movie. Huge waste in my book, Senna in F1 was so much more than just at war with Prost. I thought this was going to celebrate his whole life, not the interaction with one person. Christ, they mention Mansell maybe twice, just in passing in the whole film.
Really not what I was expecting - yep it was good, but way short of what it should have be. I think they got some good footage out of a Prost interview and thought, lets spin most of a documentary round this! They got a few ex-commentators - interviewed them and editted it, job done. Sad really.
Should have been Fantastic, and massive oppurtunity missed (HUGE).
they needed input from Mansell (at the very least - I'm sure he'd have been up for an interview), Piquet, Rosberb and his mate (only cos he was never gonna beat him) Berger.
Shame.
LH is most like Senna on the grid nos (but they are interferring way to much with the races now, hence LH kicking off - Senna would have been the same). the racing need to be on track, balls to the wall stuff.
Shame.
LH is most like Senna on the grid nos (but they are interferring way to much with the races now, hence LH kicking off - Senna would have been the same). the racing need to be on track, balls to the wall stuff.
RacerMDR said:
this is out tomorrow - does anyone have a list of the 67 cinemas that are showing it? I can't seem to find it via google
Try here http://community.codemasters.com/forum/f1-general-...Credit goes to Hora http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I watched the film a while ago and I must admit that I did enjoy it. Then, I read a book called Senna Vs Prost by Malcolm Folley and have to say I was totally bowled over by it and wished that they would (could?) have made this into a film.
As has already been mentioned, key people have been left out of the film but this book covers most of what happened, from Senna’s arrival in the UK through to his death. Crucially however, the book tells the story about everything else that was going on at the time with fantastic exerts from Mansell (including the incident where he pinned Senna up against a wall in a fit of rage), Brundle, Piquet, Lauda, Warwick et al.
I never realised just what really went on behind the scenes and what the other drivers thought and felt at the time – quite frankly, this story could not have been better if it had been made up and I feel privileged to have been given a REAL history lesson about this golden era of F1.
As has already been mentioned, key people have been left out of the film but this book covers most of what happened, from Senna’s arrival in the UK through to his death. Crucially however, the book tells the story about everything else that was going on at the time with fantastic exerts from Mansell (including the incident where he pinned Senna up against a wall in a fit of rage), Brundle, Piquet, Lauda, Warwick et al.
I never realised just what really went on behind the scenes and what the other drivers thought and felt at the time – quite frankly, this story could not have been better if it had been made up and I feel privileged to have been given a REAL history lesson about this golden era of F1.
Eric Mc said:
Read the review in Motorsport and Prost is very, very upset by the whole thing.
I was afraid the movie might be to hagiographic - and it seems it is.
I had to wki that up! Hagiography is the study of saints.I was afraid the movie might be to hagiographic - and it seems it is.
Yep. Really it ain't all its cracked up to be.
I'll have to get that book. Sound alot more rounded and what this flick should have been!
jellison said:
Eric Mc said:
Read the review in Motorsport and Prost is very, very upset by the whole thing.
I was afraid the movie might be to hagiographic - and it seems it is.
I had to wki that up! Hagiography is the study of saints.I was afraid the movie might be to hagiographic - and it seems it is.
Yep. Really it ain't all its cracked up to be.
I'll have to get that book. Sound alot more rounded and what this flick should have been!
It also reminded me of all the little things that had make me dislike Senna in the early days, all the little things that get forgotten over time. And, frankly, if its as accurate about motives as it is about actions, it's quite a damning text for the many who supported Senna's actions while condemning Schumacher's recently.
Alfanatic said:
I read that book recently too. Highly enjoyable, though I must say that even as a firm Prost fan who didn't like Senna much at all in his early years, I found it sounded a bit biased towards Prost's point of view. Whether or not that's a true reflection on the reality, I don't know, but even so, worth a read undoubtedly. It possibly can't be helped as, of course, Senna is sadly not around to present his viewpoint to the length that Prost and others can.
It also reminded me of all the little things that had make me dislike Senna in the early days, all the little things that get forgotten over time. And, frankly, if its as accurate about motives as it is about actions, it's quite a damning text for the many who supported Senna's actions while condemning Schumacher's recently.
Yes I take your point, it is perhaps a little biased but not too much IMO as I still couldn't help feeling sympathy for both drivers to be honest (I suppose slightly more so towards Prost). There were so many if's and but's - particularly how Prost might have been had he not experienced, at first hand, the death of Villeneuve and then the terrible injuries to Pironi. He became so cautious thereafter, especially in the rain.It also reminded me of all the little things that had make me dislike Senna in the early days, all the little things that get forgotten over time. And, frankly, if its as accurate about motives as it is about actions, it's quite a damning text for the many who supported Senna's actions while condemning Schumacher's recently.
One other thing that really made the hairs on the back of neck stand up was when Senna and Berger inspected the wall at Tamburello some years previous to see if it could be removed following Berger's crash there - only to find that there was a river behind it. They just walked away and left it at that.
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