Exhaust system and manifold. Tuscan V6 same as 3000M?
Discussion
Here we go again, for fear of being accused of being sanctimonious a 3000M system WONT fit, it is NOT the same, totally different, in every respect( except the manifold flanges). Tvski, when you emailed me about windscreens, exhausts etc etc etc I replied at great length. You will now get 100 different answers from 100 different people. In about a week and a half, I predict "will a Ford 3 litre Capri speedo cable fit a Tuscan V6?". Good luck!!!!
ps , cancel all the above, I,ve got a Taimar system and manifolds that "might" fit, much cheaper than the correct one!!!!!!!!
pps, polycarbonate is not the same as perspex.
ps , cancel all the above, I,ve got a Taimar system and manifolds that "might" fit, much cheaper than the correct one!!!!!!!!
pps, polycarbonate is not the same as perspex.
are you taking a piss at me?
if you think i'm a muppet, i think it says more about you than about me
and yes i know the differences between perspex and polycarbonate, that's why i asked you for a polycarbonate one, i don't know why you are getting a perspex one into the game?
did you step out of the wrong side of your bed or are you pissed because there are some dutch guys robbing the isle for TVR's? don't you worry about that, i only own 1 TVR
if you think i'm a muppet, i think it says more about you than about me
and yes i know the differences between perspex and polycarbonate, that's why i asked you for a polycarbonate one, i don't know why you are getting a perspex one into the game?
did you step out of the wrong side of your bed or are you pissed because there are some dutch guys robbing the isle for TVR's? don't you worry about that, i only own 1 TVR
Edited by tvrski on Thursday 21st April 11:22
Hi there,
I've got a Tuscan V6 and, many years ago, was given (free) an M series manifold and I tried fitting it. It has a different "drop" length so won't clear the bolt-in cross member that runs under the gearbox. As far as the rest of the system is concerned, I think that the two cars are a different length and have different chassis so, at a minimum, the pick-up points will be in the wrong places and the system would be too long.
Phil
I've got a Tuscan V6 and, many years ago, was given (free) an M series manifold and I tried fitting it. It has a different "drop" length so won't clear the bolt-in cross member that runs under the gearbox. As far as the rest of the system is concerned, I think that the two cars are a different length and have different chassis so, at a minimum, the pick-up points will be in the wrong places and the system would be too long.
Phil
Seabass said:
tvrski - Does anyone near you manufacture bespoke manifolds and systems? It would likely be more expensive than an off the shelf system from a TVR "specialist". The positives are that you'll get precisely what your after if you could live without the car for a few days. James
To which Tvrski will answer if he,s being honest, "that is what a TVR specialist told me when he wrote a very long and helpful reply on the 12th of April, he even told me where to buy some parts cheaper than he sells them for!"To my knowledge no TVR specialist has a jig for making Tuscan V6 manifolds and exhaust systems, all the ones I make are to a pattern or custom built on the car. It is barely worth any specialists jigging up to make such parts when the common thing is within the TVR community is to advise people to try to avoid them (except for free advice).
The same specialist who gave tvrski the advice has spent 2 days this week helping someone who he has never met negotiating with an insurance company over the value of a damaged classic TVR (even driving 120 mile round trip to assess its pre claim value) and convincing insurance company because of his experience to pay our £4000 more to settle the claim, in return not even a thank you.
Happy Easter
Even TVR themselves did not have a jig for V6 manifolds in 1986.
When mine rotted away sitting in a damp garage, I had some made in stainless steel, and gave the old manifolds to Stan Kilcoyne at the factory, who wanted to use them to create a jig.
Whether they ever did create a jig is anybodies guess.
Mike
When mine rotted away sitting in a damp garage, I had some made in stainless steel, and gave the old manifolds to Stan Kilcoyne at the factory, who wanted to use them to create a jig.
Whether they ever did create a jig is anybodies guess.
Mike
could you please explain where all your frustrations are coming from and why it has to be aimed at me? it's not like i raped your wife or something like that.
luckely enough, your not the only TVR specialist! And yes, you could have been helpfull but i'm a bit put off by your attitude and i wouldn't be surprised if i'm not the only one.
It's a pitty because i sure wanted to spend some money at the guys with the knowledge, and support them a bit.
luckely enough, your not the only TVR specialist! And yes, you could have been helpfull but i'm a bit put off by your attitude and i wouldn't be surprised if i'm not the only one.
It's a pitty because i sure wanted to spend some money at the guys with the knowledge, and support them a bit.
thegamekeeper said:
To which Tvrski will answer if he,s being honest, "that is what a TVR specialist told me when he wrote a very long and helpful reply on the 12th of April, he even told me where to buy some parts cheaper than he sells them for!"
To my knowledge no TVR specialist has a jig for making Tuscan V6 manifolds and exhaust systems, all the ones I make are to a pattern or custom built on the car. It is barely worth any specialists jigging up to make such parts when the common thing is within the TVR community is to advise people to try to avoid them (except for free advice).
The same specialist who gave tvrski the advice has spent 2 days this week helping someone who he has never met negotiating with an insurance company over the value of a damaged classic TVR (even driving 120 mile round trip to assess its pre claim value) and convincing insurance company because of his experience to pay our £4000 more to settle the claim, in return not even a thank you.
Happy Easter
To my knowledge no TVR specialist has a jig for making Tuscan V6 manifolds and exhaust systems, all the ones I make are to a pattern or custom built on the car. It is barely worth any specialists jigging up to make such parts when the common thing is within the TVR community is to advise people to try to avoid them (except for free advice).
The same specialist who gave tvrski the advice has spent 2 days this week helping someone who he has never met negotiating with an insurance company over the value of a damaged classic TVR (even driving 120 mile round trip to assess its pre claim value) and convincing insurance company because of his experience to pay our £4000 more to settle the claim, in return not even a thank you.
Happy Easter
tvrski said:
Tvrski,Dont be put off by the banter. These guys really are very helpful, its just that sometimes, its difficult to tell what they are talking about
(I get the same complaint in my line of work!!)A lot of it is old in-jokes between people who have been in the TVR restoration business for years and, I guess, know what they are joking about. It's not always obvious to us newbies, so I kind of, do a
and put it down to how difficult it is to communicate a "gentle ribbing" via the internet.Matt
Tvrski (Oscar) I would love to explain where my frustrations come from but I cant because I dont have any, perhaps its you?
Please allow me to explain a little about myself, I am not a TVR "specialist", I am a TVR "enthusiast". In September this year it will be the 50th anniversary of my relationship with TVR and for 44 of those years I have owned and driven TVR,s almost every day. I still drive my Grantura more miles a year than most modern TVR owners and certainly more than any other specialist or dealer. I still smile whenever I drive a TVR and always look back as I walk away and smile again. For 25 years I have run "Classic TVR" as a vat registered, tax paying business and try always to be honest and helpful. I get up to 200 emails a day, all like yours demanding an immediate reply. 75% of my telephone calls begin with " I wonder if you can help me?" which really means they want free advice and help, I always try to help. There is no money in helping people and I will never be rich and I am sure neither will Adrian. There is very little profit in supplying parts unless you are a big business and neither of us could be accused of that. I could make more money filling shelves in a supermarket than making you bespoke parts for you Tuscan exhaust system, but I did offer to do that. If I wanted to be rich I had a "proper job" before I started my passion and I could have been rich, probably very rich but there is more to life than money.
I hope you enjoy your TVR and your TVR experiences half as much as I have done over the years and I hope you have a more satisfactory relationship with your chosen "specialist" than you have had with me.
I do not have a monopoly on attitude, we all have one, even you and a few others on these posts of late, its a two way thing and I,m sure your right others dont like the truth either. I note that you acknowledge that I was helpful to you but also note you choose to dismiss that help. Perhaps its time I stopped being helpful. I will take on board your comments and try to improve my attitude but you,ve heard about old dogs and new tricks.
Please allow me to explain a little about myself, I am not a TVR "specialist", I am a TVR "enthusiast". In September this year it will be the 50th anniversary of my relationship with TVR and for 44 of those years I have owned and driven TVR,s almost every day. I still drive my Grantura more miles a year than most modern TVR owners and certainly more than any other specialist or dealer. I still smile whenever I drive a TVR and always look back as I walk away and smile again. For 25 years I have run "Classic TVR" as a vat registered, tax paying business and try always to be honest and helpful. I get up to 200 emails a day, all like yours demanding an immediate reply. 75% of my telephone calls begin with " I wonder if you can help me?" which really means they want free advice and help, I always try to help. There is no money in helping people and I will never be rich and I am sure neither will Adrian. There is very little profit in supplying parts unless you are a big business and neither of us could be accused of that. I could make more money filling shelves in a supermarket than making you bespoke parts for you Tuscan exhaust system, but I did offer to do that. If I wanted to be rich I had a "proper job" before I started my passion and I could have been rich, probably very rich but there is more to life than money.
I hope you enjoy your TVR and your TVR experiences half as much as I have done over the years and I hope you have a more satisfactory relationship with your chosen "specialist" than you have had with me.
I do not have a monopoly on attitude, we all have one, even you and a few others on these posts of late, its a two way thing and I,m sure your right others dont like the truth either. I note that you acknowledge that I was helpful to you but also note you choose to dismiss that help. Perhaps its time I stopped being helpful. I will take on board your comments and try to improve my attitude but you,ve heard about old dogs and new tricks.
Edited by thegamekeeper on Wednesday 27th April 07:27
Edited by thegamekeeper on Wednesday 27th April 18:45
thegamekeeper said:
In September this year it will be the 50th anniversary of my relationship with TVR and for 44 of those years I have owned and driven TVR,s almost every day.
See, he admits to being a grumpy old man. Please, leave him alone in his darkened room.....
PS. Will you be at Zolder this year, Steve?
thegamekeeper said:
You will now get 100 different answers from 100 different people.
Just to add my 1% then...thegamekeeper said:
Seabass said:
tvrski - Does anyone near you manufacture bespoke manifolds and systems?
To which Tvrski will answer if he,s being honest, "that is what a TVR specialist told me when he wrote a very long and helpful reply on the 12th of April, he even told me where to buy some parts cheaper than he sells them for!"They only made 100 V6 Tuscans, so I'd expect a system to be a special. Reading the posts by Adrian and David Y, not even all the M's are the same; even my S needed fitting. So it might have been handy to have a local (Cheshire) contact... So as Seabass asks, do you have fabricators in your region? The only Benelux people I'd know of are LMB racing, and I guess they're not cheap.
Talking to a friend you restores Pre War cars the other day, saying it had nearly taken all week to get a gearbox fitted in a car, on one which he specialises, but can't realy bill the customer all those hours. He was on the way back from delivering the car. As Steve says - it's a lifestyle choice, not a way to get rich.
Just to declare an interest, my father sold Steve a 3000S 16 years ago, and we've said hello at Blackpool or Oulton, and discussed the "negative equity" Tuscan Dad (still) has.
..... for forty years I thought I owned the 101st Tuscan V6 built.
davepen said:
Many years ago JP exhausts used to advertise in Sprint. After replacing the one on the (2.8) S1 once with a (Blackpool) Factory one, the second time I got a JP one. I had difficulty fitting, so travelled to Macclesfield to get it fitted. The system then lasted longer than I kept the car, another 12 years. They still do modern TVR systems (via ACT) and do specials. I assume they would need the car for fitting a special.
I had a JP Exhaust stainless steel exhaust & manifold last year via ACT, ordered a Vixen exhaust and the one sent to me completely didn't fit. 
Sent back the old one together with the new one they sent me and were happy to re-make it from the old one for me. Highly recommended. Gassing Station | TVR Classics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff