FIA Homologation

[Graham]

Has anyone come across the FIA spec for a 1969 Tuscan. specifically can it run a 302 or a 289.

does it run to 1967 regs?


any info would be great

G

[heightswitch]

Graham said:

Has anyone come across the FIA spec for a 1969 Tuscan. specifically can it run a 302 or a 289.

does it run to 1967 regs?


any info would be great

G

Graham. Pre 65 must run 289. I think it is a big grey area for the post 65 griffs and Lwb cars which have run 302 blocks. There is also a few statements made that alternative later engine blocks can be used where the original block is out of production and an identical old one cannot be sourced. this would suggest that a later 302 block could be used to build a car.

Pre 65 though and the snobby police take charge.

N.

[Graham]

What was the difference between the griff and the tuscan? the msa have details for the griff but not the tuscan?

The suggestion was to build it to griff homologation .

[heightswitch]

Graham said:

What was the difference between the griff and the tuscan? the msa have details for the griff but not the tuscan?

The suggestion was to build it to griff homologation .

Technically only the griffith 200 of 64 vintage was to my knowledge homologated. The 400 proper arrived in Dec 1964. being a follow on from a 200 I believe it is classed in a similar manner. some 200 cars have 400 bodies and vica versa over time.

There were some other griffiths built in 1966 / 67 by the lilleys which alledgedly fall foul of the pre-65 rules for FIA historics, again these were short wheelbase cars. There are also later 1967 built Lilley SWB cars were badged as Tuscans and somewhere along the line the Vixen S2 bodied LWB cars also badged as Tuscan SE LWB.

If you drop me an e-mail I will forward a set of homologation papers to you for a griffith

its a mine field not helped by the fact that some of the elitist posh car owners don't like to be beaten by a plastic pig. to my knowledge though a Tuscan LWB SE 1967 car is not eligible for Fia.

N.


N.

Edited by heightswitch on Tuesday 15th April 16:22

[tvrgaas]

heightswitch said:

a Tuscan LWB SE 1967 car is not eligible for Fia.

YHM.

Is the issue that a 67 car would be under period G1 rules, not Period F?
Is the issue to get a HTP one needs to agree to the Homologation - which TVR didn't do as they didn't need to and also they didn't build enough (V8) cars?

[heightswitch]

tvrgaas said:

heightswitch said:

a Tuscan LWB SE 1967 car is not eligible for Fia.

YHM.

Is the issue that a 67 car would be under period G1 rules, not Period F?
Is the issue to get a HTP one needs to agree to the Homologation - which TVR didn't do as they didn't need to and also they didn't build enough (V8) cars?

Probably.

I am only aware of the 200 griff being Homologated. i think the 400 scrapes in by virtue it can be proven to be a continuation of a 200 albeit with parts which were homologated on the 200 anyway.

Later cars were never homologated probably because at the time the company was in and out of liquidation and wouldn't now qualify for pre 65 events.

If I am honest I haven't really boned up on the ins and outs.

as a replica builder I am not really bothered about Fia papers. so long as I can race in UK with like minded individuals then I am happy. if people turn there noses up at the car I just go and race somewhere else where it is appreciated for what it is.

In some respects the Fia process just becomes elitist which prevents real people from playing which long term will be bad for the sport.

I built my car. and it still has its original body and chassis. wonder how many out there with fia papers can honestly answer that one.

i haven't got your e-mail bye the way.

lisa_russell@btconnect dot com

N.

Edited by heightswitch on Tuesday 15th April 19:14

Edited by heightswitch on Tuesday 15th April 19:17

[Graham]

Hi, thanks all good info.

Its for a guy building a 69 tuscan, he's doing a nice restoration and wants the car to be as raceable as possible...

I must admit my recommendation is to talk to as many of the possible championships as possible and start there, especially as it looks as fia papers will be hard to come by...

He does want to keep his options open on international events though

Cheers

G

[heightswitch]

Graham said:

Hi, thanks all good info.

Its for a guy building a 69 tuscan, he's doing a nice restoration and wants the car to be as raceable as possible...

I must admit my recommendation is to talk to as many of the possible championships as possible and start there, especially as it looks as fia papers will be hard to come by...

He does want to keep his options open on international events though

Cheers

G

pretty sure he will not be able to run Fia because of the pre 65 cut off. he will however be able to race it in all manner of HSCC, throughbreds, CSCC events which also have european rounds.

N.

[Fiscracer]

Suggest you speak to Jim Lowry as he's an FIA scrutineer and will need to inspect the car on behalf of the MSA prior to papers being submitted. Contact via Historique.co.uk.

Whether there are homologation papers or not I believe for HTP you need to be able to demonstrate that the car ran in international FIA sanctioned events in period. There is some discussion as to whether any Griffs did so.

I am not aware that Tuscans were homologated but speak to Jim or John Hopwood.

Cheers

Richard