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Guess there's no Nitron'd owners out there.
So any alternatives. I'm looking at the quality end of kit as although the Avo's work OK, they don't allow accurate adjustment. The first 7/8 clicks are undetectable by feel so getting them set correctly is very difficult unless you have it up on a ramp and can count the revolutions by sight. This alone makes me question the quality, leaving me with little confidence that even if I do it by sight there possibly isn't the consistency between individual shocks.
Moto
So any alternatives. I'm looking at the quality end of kit as although the Avo's work OK, they don't allow accurate adjustment. The first 7/8 clicks are undetectable by feel so getting them set correctly is very difficult unless you have it up on a ramp and can count the revolutions by sight. This alone makes me question the quality, leaving me with little confidence that even if I do it by sight there possibly isn't the consistency between individual shocks.
Moto
True Story…
Had our race car set up by Colin Blower Motorsport some years ago. After workshop time on set-up and modifying wishbones, a few 1/2 days testing at Mallory with a works Aston driver at the helm, my car was returned a better car. First race with the new set-up was at Mallory. No set up changes required.
Two weeks later and off to Castle Coombe. Car was not as good as it felt at Mallory.
Called Colin, two minutes discussion on bump and rebound and another few test sessions and 9 seconds dropped from the lap times and took a big chunk off the class record during the race the next day.
In my experience, you won’t do that with a non adjustable shock set up.
If you want to be competitive, you need the right equipment, set up and to understand the changes needed to adapt to different conditions. Lots of focus on the driver, but no matter how talented he will be limited by lack of suspension adjustment.
Just saying..
Had our race car set up by Colin Blower Motorsport some years ago. After workshop time on set-up and modifying wishbones, a few 1/2 days testing at Mallory with a works Aston driver at the helm, my car was returned a better car. First race with the new set-up was at Mallory. No set up changes required.
Two weeks later and off to Castle Coombe. Car was not as good as it felt at Mallory.
Called Colin, two minutes discussion on bump and rebound and another few test sessions and 9 seconds dropped from the lap times and took a big chunk off the class record during the race the next day.
In my experience, you won’t do that with a non adjustable shock set up.
If you want to be competitive, you need the right equipment, set up and to understand the changes needed to adapt to different conditions. Lots of focus on the driver, but no matter how talented he will be limited by lack of suspension adjustment.
Just saying..
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 12th October 15:46
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 12th October 15:59
Alphaone, that's great. Would you share your Nitron spec's with me?
TVRMs. I agree totally. I set my AVO's according to track and road. Typically I run zero all round on road and up to 16 clicks for some circuits. In my first season I started with road settings on the track. The body roll was scary and I used to spin up the inside rear wheel all the time. Oh how much I've learned in just 3 seasons and I still know very little, but I'm learning new stuff every day.
Moto
TVRMs. I agree totally. I set my AVO's according to track and road. Typically I run zero all round on road and up to 16 clicks for some circuits. In my first season I started with road settings on the track. The body roll was scary and I used to spin up the inside rear wheel all the time. Oh how much I've learned in just 3 seasons and I still know very little, but I'm learning new stuff every day.
Moto
Moto said:
Alphaone, that's great. Would you share your Nitron spec's with me?
TVRMs. I agree totally. I set my AVO's according to track and road. Typically I run zero all round on road and up to 16 clicks for some circuits. In my first season I started with road settings on the track. The body roll was scary and I used to spin up the inside rear wheel all the time. Oh how much I've learned in just 3 seasons and I still know very little, but I'm learning new stuff every day.
Moto
Every day is a leaning day Steve. Tip…don’t be getting the shocks to do the job of the springs. TVRMs. I agree totally. I set my AVO's according to track and road. Typically I run zero all round on road and up to 16 clicks for some circuits. In my first season I started with road settings on the track. The body roll was scary and I used to spin up the inside rear wheel all the time. Oh how much I've learned in just 3 seasons and I still know very little, but I'm learning new stuff every day.
Moto
TVRMs said:
Tip…don’t be getting the shocks to do the job of the springs.
I am doing this. However as both a daily road car and hillclimb car it is easy to adjust shocks. Changing springs would be impractical.Or is their another way to achieve the same ..... ie using spring assisters ????
What is the downside of using shock adjustment in the way that I am?
Moto
Double adjustable dampers would be much more suitable for you if your car is dual purpose .. you can then run the stiffer springs but because you have separate compressions and rebound damper adjustment you can run the rebound stiff enough to control the spring, but wind the compression back softer to claw back some ride comfort.
spitfire4v8 said:
Double adjustable dampers would be much more suitable for you if your car is dual purpose .. you can then run the stiffer springs but because you have separate compressions and rebound damper adjustment you can run the rebound stiff enough to control the spring, but wind the compression back softer to claw back some ride comfort.
Glad you came along and explained Jules spitfire4v8 said:
Double adjustable dampers would be much more suitable for you if your car is dual purpose .. you can then run the stiffer springs but because you have separate compressions and rebound damper adjustment you can run the rebound stiff enough to control the spring, but wind the compression back softer to claw back some ride comfort.
Jules. Now that's a useful piece of info. I hadn't considered or using shocks with both adjustable compression & rebound. What you say makes complete sense - obvious really. 
Hi Pete. We've got to try to get a bit closer to "Chaos" next season. We can't let him win 3 championships in a row.
Moto
For fast road use:
Of course Adrian Venn has supplied a developed AVO solution for Vixens.
Seems folks are pretty satisfied with his recommendations.
But do we have a Nitron expert?
This is an expensive bit of kit but double adjustment makes a lot of sense in theory.
The theory part is monkeying around with the settings within what one would imagine would be a trial and error methodology.
And then there is the question of appropriate springs/rates for this specific configuration.
Questions:
What is the best solution for fast road - Adrian@ or go out on a limb - Nitron?
Where would one obtain correct Nitrons for our vehicles? Preferably already configured with springs and set up close to our indicated requirements.
We'll be needing a new damper/spring combo all around in the near future.
Unfortunately it seems Adrian@ is on Facebook within a private group.
But it seems contact can still be made thru the forum "Email Me".
Around here Facebook is loathed like the pox and most of us refuse to have anything to do with it.
If one has to explain why - you haven't been paying attention.
"here" means San Francisco and I live a few blocks away from his majesty's San Francisco compound.
Pox.
Of course Adrian Venn has supplied a developed AVO solution for Vixens.
Seems folks are pretty satisfied with his recommendations.
But do we have a Nitron expert?
This is an expensive bit of kit but double adjustment makes a lot of sense in theory.
The theory part is monkeying around with the settings within what one would imagine would be a trial and error methodology.
And then there is the question of appropriate springs/rates for this specific configuration.
Questions:
What is the best solution for fast road - Adrian@ or go out on a limb - Nitron?
Where would one obtain correct Nitrons for our vehicles? Preferably already configured with springs and set up close to our indicated requirements.
We'll be needing a new damper/spring combo all around in the near future.
Unfortunately it seems Adrian@ is on Facebook within a private group.
But it seems contact can still be made thru the forum "Email Me".
Around here Facebook is loathed like the pox and most of us refuse to have anything to do with it.
If one has to explain why - you haven't been paying attention.
"here" means San Francisco and I live a few blocks away from his majesty's San Francisco compound.
Pox.
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