Which V8 and Gearbox for 3000M recreation?

[Fixanything]

I have restored several cars and always tried to maintain matching numbers and as it left factory finish.

This time its going to be different.

I have a 3000M Taimar to restore and would like to put in a V8, 5/6 speed manual , >300bhp.

Any advice on best way to go e. g. Rover, Chevy, Ford...... much appreciated.

Cheers

[magpies]

Chevy LS#, Jaguar V8 / BMW V8
I would not use the Rover as ancient and expensive to get above 300
Even a 'cheap' modern V6 can easily manage high 200's - my Jag V6 TVR S1 has 265 and revs over 7000 (some say 8000 is ok with stock internals.

Edited by magpies on Saturday 27th March 18:21

[Moto]

How about keeping the Essex but adding a turbo charger. I did this back in the early 90's and it was a fab car.

For me another option would be a Cossy Duratec rather than a V8.

Each to their own I guess.

Moto

[Fixanything]

It's the V8 sound track I need and stupid power to weight ratio.

[GAjon]

Lexus/ Toyota 1UZ 4ltr Quad cam V8

[catfishdb]

Ah....my favorite topic.

Well, the link has historically been to head over to the Ford department. A 289 or 302 V8. Loads of parts suppliers and differing kit to strap on. Sound track included.
Absolutely there are 'better' ..... more modern alternatives.....we're not going to go over that way.

Back to American iron V-8's. The issue, as I understand, with the Chevy V-8 is that the vee is wider than the Ford making the already challenging exhaust manifold installation more difficult. As well as the distributor being at the rear which pushes the block toward the front and thus the weight/balance of the car.

The Ford V-8 (be it at 289 or 302) are surprisingly compact. You can snuggle them quite close to the firewall and keep them quite low as well. The weight is not drastically different especially if you go for an aluminum head option. Stock iron manifolds can work but I believe can be a wee difficult to find. Custom headers are the way to go.

Hook it up to a Borg Warner T-5 or T-56 and off you go. Having started with a 3000M you will already have the Jag 4HU out back to transfer the go to the rear wheels. Only the half-shafts to worry about twisting off now.

Arthur

[catfishdb]

Look away now if the modern vibe was what you were after.










Over this way we have a Ford 302 bolted into the M chassis.

[GTRene]

Fixanything said:

It's the V8 sound track I need and stupid power to weight ratio.

yes... its great the V8 sound and power, maybe not perfect blabla, but what is perfect :-) you want something special when you start the car and have fun/sound/vibrations, even when you drive 30mph.

go for a lightweight V8 engine, maybe by a damaged US car with a LS3 430<>530hp more then enough to feel special, strengthen the chassis at some points, or go to those specialist or peak how they done it, say Sportmotive and their Evolution Chassis for Ls3 and 7 for Griffith Chimeara, it has the same wheelbase I think? so in theorie make such chassis with the LS and diff things to hook up and of you go 3000M

I once asked them, because I'm more fan of the smaller looking cars pre 80 say Vixen models, I said, I see the wheelbase is the sam as some of Vixen types, so maybe a Vixen body could also made to fit on a evolutions chassis with LS3 engine (or in this case a 3000M or other M serie) he said, yes, we could make such possible :-) sadly I do not live in the UK let alone nearby such shop, otherwise I would already done such, vind a old cheap Vixen that needed to restore and bring it there and build it new up on that new Evolution chassis with a 525 LS3 MMM oooh dreams dreams.

edit to put a picture, just saw what Arthur dropped here :-)



a bit widened chassis I believe that way the pipes go directly down, love such way instead of going forward like in a Chim/Griff

|https://thumbsnap.com/7X29aWbZ[/url]

Edited by GTRene on Saturday 27th March 22:44

[GTRene]

catfishdb said:

Look away now if the modern vibe was what you were after.

Over this way we have a Ford 302 bolted into the M chassis.

oh, thats nice as well, love the almost new, as new chassis and bushings etc etc mmm and a nice engine, whats not to like

[catfishdb]

Summit racing in the US will sell you a 365 hp 302......among others.

Plenty enough power to make the M series package a little twitchy. : )

Arthur





https://www.summitracing.com/int/search/product-li...

[Fixanything]

Now we are cooking, great ideas here.

[anonymous-user]

I went 331 supplied by Real Steal (393 BHP).

T5 with quaife internals from Grantura Engineering.

[Simon BB]

TVRMs said:

I went 331 supplied by Real Steal (393 BHP).

T5 with quaife internals from Grantura Engineering.

Like he said

[Simon BB]

[anonymous-user]

[GTRene]

nice package

[tyracious]

I'd vote for the lightest all alloy V8 with the best fitment specifications.
And perhaps a bit of sympathetic appropriateness to the vintage of the car.
A shelbyengines 289 331CI?
450 HP might be considered overkill.
And 25K $ - well ...
On the flip side that's close to having a competent uprated rebuild of an old Porsche 912 motor for maybe 130 HP.

Not quite sure about V8 fetishes for a car originally designed to be light and agile - a 2 litre Duratec derived Mazda MZR LF-VE motor from an MX-5 seems a most practical choice.

[TVR by BVR]

I was wondering who made these very nice headers??? Would really like to know, I am building a 3000M with a Ford 289 Hipo engine but I will keep it with a 4 speed gearbox, I do have a set forward headers but prefer the ones that will go straight to the back.

[GTRene]

GTRene said:

TVR by BVR said:

I was wondering who made these very nice headers??? Would really like to know, I am building a 3000M with a Ford 289 Hipo engine but I will keep it with a 4 speed gearbox, I do have a set forward headers but prefer the ones that will go straight to the back.

lots to find, yours to choose, some are 'cheap' some not.


https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ford+289+Hipo+engine+hea...

say cheap under hugger/tight headers cheap like those

https://www.ebay.com/itm/289-351-SB-HUGGER-TIGHT-T...

or 10 times that, still not most expensive, but same sort>>

http://www.dragtimes.com/parts/Small-Block-Ford-28...

[tyracious]

On the theory you get what you pay for:
How the heck do you get Polished Ceramic Coated Headers for $175?
Is that for both?
Are they made of metal? Plastic?
Manufacture/material logistics/finished product transport/inventory costs - how's this possible?
Wait a minute - a quick duckduckgo brings up WUHAN XEXHAUST AUTO FITTINGS
Ahh .....
And on the XEXAUST web site - there they are!

Ceramic coating exhaust manifold exhaust pipes ceramic exhaust header
$85.00 - $160.00/Set
1.0 Sets(Min. Order)

Skip the eBay middle man?