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Slow M

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2,787 posts

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GTRene

17,781 posts

231 months

Friday 22nd May 2020
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cool a 5000M not that many around.

Slow M

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2,787 posts

213 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Considering the engine is from an '87 car, it was most likely originally licensed as a 2500 or 3000, and underwent a conversion later in life.

GTRene

17,781 posts

231 months

Saturday 23rd May 2020
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Slow M said:
Considering the engine is from an '87 car, it was most likely originally licensed as a 2500 or 3000, and underwent a conversion later in life.
ah, hm, yes it could be so, would be strange I guess to change the complete driveline, also the original 5000M used corvette diff I believe?

what does this tell us? 3627TM
if it would be a 'factory' 5000M TVR sendet a rolling 2500M chassis ex drive line and diff I thought? (forgot) don't know if you can reed all on the chassis number, or someone has somewhere the list with chassisnumbers of cars that were send to Canada without engine/gearbox/diff that way you could see/know more, such list would be nice :-)

Dollyman1850

6,319 posts

257 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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GTRene said:
ah, hm, yes it could be so, would be strange I guess to change the complete driveline, also the original 5000M used corvette diff I believe?

what does this tell us? 3627TM
if it would be a 'factory' 5000M TVR sendet a rolling 2500M chassis ex drive line and diff I thought? (forgot) don't know if you can reed all on the chassis number, or someone has somewhere the list with chassisnumbers of cars that were send to Canada without engine/gearbox/diff that way you could see/know more, such list would be nice :-)
To my knowledge nothing with a TM ( Triumph Motor) Chassis number was converted by John Wadman !

Neil.

GTRene

17,781 posts

231 months

Sunday 24th May 2020
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Dollyman1850 said:
To my knowledge nothing with a TM ( Triumph Motor) Chassis number was converted by John Wadman !

Neil.
Not sure about that if you read this, first one came with the Triumph engine, so maybe possible with TM number?

wiki said:
5000M

A TVR 5000M
In 1974, John Wadman (the president of the Canada-based import company TVR North America) began a project to replace the Triumph 2.5 L engine in a yellow 2500M with a Ford 302 cu in Windsor V8. Wadman handled the engineering of the conversion, which involved the use of different engine mounts, radiator, and springs. The Ford V8 was mated to a BorgWarner T-4 gearbox with a rear differential from the Chevrolet Corvette, and the resultant "5000M" was shown at the 1975 Toronto International Auto Show.[5]

Following the 1975 fire that damaged the TVR factory in Blackpool, TVR NA ordered and pre-paid six cars from the manufacturer. This gesture helped to secure future support from TVR for Wadman's V8 conversions: the factory eventually supplied five M-series coupes without engines or transmissions, specifically for the purpose of V8 installations. TVR NA also converted three cars that were originally equipped with the Ford Essex V6, but that arrived from the factory with cracks in the cylinder block. In 1978, the factory built a car (painted white with a brown stripe) that was designated "5000M"; this was also shipped to Canada for a V8 installation. Since 1980, six Taimars have been converted to the Ford V8 as well.
also according to that story, 5 came without engine or transmissions, so no idea if those got a special sign?

also converted 3 cars that came with the Ford V6 (what sign came with those V6 Ford M series FM?)

and the factory (UK?) build a car white with brown stripe for a V8 installation, but was that on order from a UK buyer so RHD?

and six Taimars (all ford I guess) converted to V8

wondering, were they all using standard TVR numbers, or did those 5000M get some extra in the chassisnumber from JW at NA

hm, here they say
said:
He imported cars from England as bare shells and chassis and did the conversion at his shop, completing seven or eight examples. These cars were given brand new VIN's and sold as the TVR 5000M, only to Canadian customers.
so brand new VIN chassisnumbers? although I saw one with the FM number, but that could be a later converted 5000M.

Slow M

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2,787 posts

213 months

Friday 29th May 2020
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I’m under the impression, that the chassis numbers were “normal,” and didn’t receive any addition of prefix or suffix identifiers.

Also, to my awareness, there is as only one car that used the Corvette differential, all others being equipped with the standard Salisbury 4HU type, that was standard fitment in the 3000M.

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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Not so sure 4HU was fitted to all 3000M cars.
I think on my 1976 3000M it maybe a TR6 Diff.
I thought all the Taimars and 3000S had 4HU Diff.
Could someone with more knowledge confirm please.
Alan

GAjon

3,804 posts

220 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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plasticpig72 said:
Not so sure 4HU was fitted to all 3000M cars.
I think on my 1976 3000M it maybe a TR6 Diff.
I thought all the Taimars and 3000S had 4HU Diff.
Could someone with more knowledge confirm please.
Alan
My 1973 (registered 74) 3000ML was originally a Triumph differential.

taimar76

26 posts

83 months

Saturday 30th May 2020
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My 1977 taimar has a TR6 diff ,Not sure of the change over year?

TVR by BVR

71 posts

143 months

Sunday 31st May 2020
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To make it even more confusing, my 1974 M left the factory with out engine and transmission but wit a Triumph differential and as far as I know it was sold to North America and it has a T numbered chassis number.

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Sunday 31st May 2020
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My 1978 3000S has a 4HU so maybe 78 was the change to 4HU.
Alan

Slow M

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2,787 posts

213 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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I stand corrected. Totally forgot that the earlier 3000s had the TR diff.

I do still think, that none of the 5000M cars were built with the Triumph differential.