Curious - is this a stainless chassis ?

Curious - is this a stainless chassis ?

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Moto

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1,261 posts

260 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Just stumbled across this photo on the Vixen Register. Looks like stainless steel chassis tubing? Very unusual - anyone know more?



Moto

anonymous-user

61 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Local modification using stainless sections?

jeremo84

35 posts

244 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Looks like some repair tubes put in place of rotted tubes.

brownspeed

854 posts

138 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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try if a fridge magnet sticks to it (and the rest of the chassis)to confirm its SS or not.

GTRene

17,785 posts

231 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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I've seen that picture before, and wondered that myself at that time.

But yesterday I came across this one, a 1984 TVR 350i FHC V8 and there is a picture of the underside,
which looks it has no paint at all on it...that must be stainless or ?
if it is stainless and original...than pretty rare...and a bargain.



https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1045396

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Not all stainless is non magnetic
Alan

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

116 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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If a stainless steel chassis suffered any flex it may not flex back to its original position

What are other peoples thoughts?

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Penelope Stopit said:
If a stainless steel chassis suffered any flex it may not flex back to its original position

What are other peoples thoughts?
Same with mild steel ?

Stainless is susceptible to different types of corrosion to mild steel. Where that chassis has been modified to include stainless, is a breeding ground for stainless related corrosion if used during the winter. It an be mitigated by adequate coating being applied, seems like option that was discounted

Don't think it was the smartest modification.


GAjon

3,804 posts

220 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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I keep these in my desk.

I’m still waiting for the film to come out .

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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It won’t flex in the same way at all so a chassis designed for mild steel needs redesign for stainless

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

116 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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V6 Pushfit said:
It won’t flex in the same way at all so a chassis designed for mild steel needs redesign for stainless
Thank you

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Penelope Stopit said:
V6 Pushfit said:
It won’t flex in the same way at all so a chassis designed for mild steel needs redesign for stainless
Thank you
Both materials have different strengths so will behave differently. A stainless chassis will not see any material loss during its life, a corrosion allowance would however need to be considered for mild steel. Not sure there would be much difference other than wall thickness of the pipework and the thickness of any gussets - both to compensate for corrosion and material strength. smile

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Just a minute we're talking about "Blackpool Rockets" not Rockets to go into Space.
Solid heavy Engineering and much stronger than my Lotus Elan Sprint where "Light is Right".
If things looked fragile things were made a bit stronger just to be sure it wouldn't break.
Alan

GAjon

3,804 posts

220 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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TVRMs said:
Both materials have different strengths so will behave differently. A stainless chassis will not see any material loss during its life, a corrosion allowance would however need to be considered for mild steel. Not sure there would be much difference other than wall thickness of the pipework and the thickness of any gussets - both to compensate for corrosion and material strength. smile
The problem with the readily available grades of stainless tubular products, 304 & 316 is the stress cracking of the material in the heat affected zones, ie local to welds.
I remember looking under the SEAC racer that has a stainless chassis for a brief period, the welds looked reasonable, not great but ok, but it kept cracking local to the weld area.

We used to see it a lot on pump pipe work in the paper industry where you could get vibration from the pumps and elevated temperatures the pipes had to be 316 to resist corrosion but would crack in the strangest places.

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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What about Brazing would it resist cracks better. Or when Welding pre heat and cool down slowly.
Alan

Moto

Original Poster:

1,261 posts

260 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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What doesn't add up to me is that if it is a local repair, why use stainless? Surely welding stainless to mild steel adds difficulty and risk of weld failure for no real benefit confused

If the chassis is full stainless beneath the blue, it would be interesting to know more on how it has performed and the type of stainless used for all the reasons above reasons.

Moto

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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i think on Steve Reids 3000S the outriggers had been replaced with Stainless ones.
Alan

GAjon

3,804 posts

220 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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plasticpig72 said:
i think on Steve Reids 3000S the outriggers had been replaced with Stainless ones.
Alan
They definitely were, I did them.

Dollyman1850

6,319 posts

257 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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It always gives me a giggle this pre-occupation with corrosion resistance..... We strip down 40 year old cars and then have a bit of a fettle with either some new tubes or a totally new chassis..... How long do you want the bloody things to last..... If I have to do mine again when I am 80 so be it hehe

N.

GAjon

3,804 posts

220 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Dollyman1850 said:
It always gives me a giggle this pre-occupation with corrosion resistance..... We strip down 40 year old cars and then have a bit of a fettle with either some new tubes or a totally new chassis..... How long do you want the bloody things to last..... If I have to do mine again when I am 80 so be it hehe

N.
But the Diesel oil fumes from yours will keep your chassis corrosion free. wink