DIRTY WHEELS

[plasticpig72]

On my 3000S the Discs are ventilated and 4 Pot Calipers.
The amount of black dust that comes from the Brake Pads is amazing. It's making a right mess of my nice powder coated "T" Slots. Some of the dust particles from the Pads sticks/ burns on the Wheel and impossible to clean.
+ they squeal like mad.
For the dust problem i understand there were some rubber/flexible matts to stop the dust.
For the squealing i have cut some grooves across the Pads which seems to work for a short while but not long term.
Alan

[anonymous-user]

Pads?

[plasticpig72]

Yes,
Brake Pads.
The owner of my 3000S before fitted 4 Pot Wilwood Calipers and ventilated Discs (very expensive kit). I don't know if he was a Boy racer or what but imho it seems extreme for road use.
I get fed up with all the Dust and for sure the squealing is very tiring.
Imho the Brake Pads are expensive to replace and also the Ventilated Discs expensive to replace + OTT for normal road driving.
Maybe i will retro fit normal 16PB Calipers and solid Discs
Alan

[Andrew Gray]

For what its worth i have Toyota Hilux 4 pots on mine with standard Discs breaking is fantastic it was a period upgrade at the time as the donor vehicle was of the same era and a direct swap.
Dust is not bad but i tend to take the wheels off once a year and clean polish and rim wax each one so the brake dust does not stick.
Pads are virtually free and hardly wear at all i recently changed them after about 15000 miles and they where only half worn but at i bought 5 sets for £25 so £5 a set from a garage that was clearing out its old parts, i or the next owners will never need to buy pads again not squealing at all Alan.
I sometimes think these so called modern performance upgrades are rather over the top.
I rather like the idea of mine being a period upgrade rather than a modern one.
However done right the standard Triumph ones with decent pads are more than sufficient for most road users.
Andrew

[cjb44]

plasticpig72 said:

On my 3000S the Discs are ventilated and 4 Pot Calipers.
The amount of black dust that comes from the Brake Pads is amazing. It's making a right mess of my nice powder coated "T" Slots. Some of the dust particles from the Pads sticks/ burns on the Wheel and impossible to clean.
+ they squeal like mad.
For the dust problem i understand there were some rubber/flexible matts to stop the dust.
For the squealing i have cut some grooves across the Pads which seems to work for a short while but not long term.
Alan

A touch of copper slip grease or similar smeared on the back of the pad will usually stop squealing.

[MisterTee]

plasticpig72 said:

For the dust problem i understand there were some rubber/flexible matts to stop the dust.

Try these .... I’ve got them on my S series car and the wheels always look fab.

Andy

https://tvr-parts.com/tvr-parts/part-details/tvr-0...

[trev4]

Williams waterless wash/wax is unbelievably good for removing brake dust and general grim from wheels, not bad on the rest of the car as well.

[anonymous-user]

Some pads have metallic particles in the friction material. When that material in dust form gets on your alloys at 5-600 deg, it becomes embedded in the wheel coating.

Get pads that are appropriate for your use. (You don’t need sintered pads for road use)

[plasticpig72]

TVRMs said:

Some pads have metallic particles in the friction material. When that material in dust form gets on your alloys at 5-600 deg, it becomes embedded in the wheel coating.

Get pads that are appropriate for your use. (You don’t need sintered pads for road use)

I am sure you're correct the particles are very hot and burn their way into the powder epoxy on the Wheels.
I will look to see if i can find some different Pads. The ones i fitted were on special order and cost £97.04 which for me is expensive for road driving.
I think i need to consider fitting instead 16pb Calipers and solid Discs.
I could sell the Wilwood 4 pots to a boy racer or Circuit fan.
Thanks for the different ideas
Alan

[Dollyman1850]

Period Hilux Brakes indeed...me thinks the boy is entering a new phase in his life!!

I must dig out those McLaren M1b callipers

N.

[anonymous-user]

Alan are your discs grooved or drilled? That generates much more dust for little benefit so helping with the decision to change to the type 16. There are also MUCH better standard brake pads than the triumph ones - for granada etc which bite really well in comparison.

[plasticpig72]

V6 Pushfit said:

Alan are your discs grooved or drilled? That generates much more dust for little benefit so helping with the decision to change to the type 16. There are also MUCH better standard brake pads than the triumph ones - for granada etc which bite really well in comparison.

Thanks for the input.
The Disks are ventilated but no holes or grooves. As you say with the 16pb Calipers there is a very large choice of Pads and the price is correct.
I am lucky to have also a 3000M and also an Elan Sprint and both of them are running with 16pb Calipers (very rare to get a squeal).
I'm going for a tour with the local car club this w/e around Nantes which is 100kms from where in Brittany. So on the motorway i will warm up the Brakes a bit to remove any glaze. Maybe that will stop them from squealing for a while.
Alan

[Dollyman1850]

plasticpig72 said:

Thanks for the input.
The Disks are ventilated but no holes or grooves. As you say with the 16pb Calipers there is a very large choice of Pads and the price is correct.
I am lucky to have also a 3000M and also an Elan Sprint and both of them are running with 16pb Calipers (very rare to get a squeal).
I'm going for a tour with the local car club this w/e around Nantes which is 100kms from where in Brittany. So on the motorway i will warm up the Brakes a bit to remove any glaze. Maybe that will stop them from squealing for a while.
Alan

Brakes seldom squeal from the friction surface. They oscillate and squeal from the piston to pad back surface. Copperslip and anti squeal shims will sort that... Why not keep your venteds and go for a Ford Granada 2.8 estate front calliper to suit a 24mm vented disc?? A little work to fit but an easy mod... Other choice is a Scimitar 3 pot calliper (also fitted to e-type) again a bolt on mod and cheap to buy. The 4 Pot Princess callipers are available.. look for LDV convoy van... Hilux 4 pot looks also to be a very good mod... Assume this is also a virtually bolt on swap??

To be honest for Road cars all the big 2 pots are well up to the task of slowing a little relatively light TVR... Whatever works is good. No point in having Race pads if you are just tootling along on country drives!!

[anonymous-user]

Dollyman1850 said:

plasticpig72 said:

Thanks for the input.
The Disks are ventilated but no holes or grooves. As you say with the 16pb Calipers there is a very large choice of Pads and the price is correct.
I am lucky to have also a 3000M and also an Elan Sprint and both of them are running with 16pb Calipers (very rare to get a squeal).
I'm going for a tour with the local car club this w/e around Nantes which is 100kms from where in Brittany. So on the motorway i will warm up the Brakes a bit to remove any glaze. Maybe that will stop them from squealing for a while.
Alan

Brakes seldom squeal from the friction surface. They oscillate and squeal from the piston to pad back surface. Copperslip and anti squeal shims will sort that... Why not keep your venteds and go for a Ford Granada 2.8 estate front calliper to suit a 24mm vented disc?? A little work to fit but an easy mod... Other choice is a Scimitar 3 pot calliper (also fitted to e-type) again a bolt on mod and cheap to buy. The 4 Pot Princess callipers are available.. look for LDV convoy van... Hilux 4 pot looks also to be a very good mod... Assume this is also a virtually bolt on swap??

To be honest for Road cars all the big 2 pots are well up to the task of slowing a little relatively light TVR... Whatever works is good. No point in having Race pads if you are just tootling along on country drives!!

Or just buy some proper pads...which is the issue.

[Dollyman1850]

TVRMs said:

Dollyman1850 said:

plasticpig72 said:

Thanks for the input.
The Disks are ventilated but no holes or grooves. As you say with the 16pb Calipers there is a very large choice of Pads and the price is correct.
I am lucky to have also a 3000M and also an Elan Sprint and both of them are running with 16pb Calipers (very rare to get a squeal).
I'm going for a tour with the local car club this w/e around Nantes which is 100kms from where in Brittany. So on the motorway i will warm up the Brakes a bit to remove any glaze. Maybe that will stop them from squealing for a while.
Alan

Brakes seldom squeal from the friction surface. They oscillate and squeal from the piston to pad back surface. Copperslip and anti squeal shims will sort that... Why not keep your venteds and go for a Ford Granada 2.8 estate front calliper to suit a 24mm vented disc?? A little work to fit but an easy mod... Other choice is a Scimitar 3 pot calliper (also fitted to e-type) again a bolt on mod and cheap to buy. The 4 Pot Princess callipers are available.. look for LDV convoy van... Hilux 4 pot looks also to be a very good mod... Assume this is also a virtually bolt on swap??

To be honest for Road cars all the big 2 pots are well up to the task of slowing a little relatively light TVR... Whatever works is good. No point in having Race pads if you are just tootling along on country drives!!

Or just buy some proper pads...which is the issue.

I think thats the point John.. the aftermarket 4 pots tend to not have soft non metallic pads available.
N.

[anonymous-user]

Dollyman1850 said:

TVRMs said:

Dollyman1850 said:

plasticpig72 said:

Thanks for the input.
The Disks are ventilated but no holes or grooves. As you say with the 16pb Calipers there is a very large choice of Pads and the price is correct.
I am lucky to have also a 3000M and also an Elan Sprint and both of them are running with 16pb Calipers (very rare to get a squeal).
I'm going for a tour with the local car club this w/e around Nantes which is 100kms from where in Brittany. So on the motorway i will warm up the Brakes a bit to remove any glaze. Maybe that will stop them from squealing for a while.
Alan

Brakes seldom squeal from the friction surface. They oscillate and squeal from the piston to pad back surface. Copperslip and anti squeal shims will sort that... Why not keep your venteds and go for a Ford Granada 2.8 estate front calliper to suit a 24mm vented disc?? A little work to fit but an easy mod... Other choice is a Scimitar 3 pot calliper (also fitted to e-type) again a bolt on mod and cheap to buy. The 4 Pot Princess callipers are available.. look for LDV convoy van... Hilux 4 pot looks also to be a very good mod... Assume this is also a virtually bolt on swap??

To be honest for Road cars all the big 2 pots are well up to the task of slowing a little relatively light TVR... Whatever works is good. No point in having Race pads if you are just tootling along on country drives!!

Or just buy some proper pads...which is the issue.

I think thats the point John.. the aftermarket 4 pots tend to not have soft non metallic pads available.
N.

mintex 1144..

[Dollyman1850]

TVRMs said:

intex 1144..

Yep I suppose theres always them
N.

[anonymous-user]

Dollyman1850 said:

Yep I suppose theres always them
N.

The early OE full fat asbestos pads have great bite and still available, and the Granada pads have a greater pad area for the type 16 and feel like the servo is on steroids. I must say the mintex pads are an about 4 times the price of either of these.
For the rear the Sunbeam Alpine slave is a straight replacement and larger diameter.