Minilites or Rewinds for Vixen

Minilites or Rewinds for Vixen

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Moto

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1,261 posts

260 months

Wednesday 29th August 2018
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I'm looking to order a set of Minilites for the Vixen, to be shod with a set of road legal track tyres for use on track - probably Yoko AD08R.

I haven't yet decided whether to stick to 5.5J or go to a 6J rim. I plan to run either a 185/55 or 195/55 profile. Has anybody been through this process and therefore offer advice to avoid any pitfalls.

Thx Moto

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th August 2018
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Whatever Tyres you fit i would suggest you compare the rolling dia to original size or you will ground the car very easily.
Alan

Moto

Original Poster:

1,261 posts

260 months

Wednesday 29th August 2018
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That's fine as these will be track only tyres/rims. The smaller circumference will mean acceleration should improve but also it will reduce roll through the corners. As there are unlikely to be potholes etc the lower ride height should not be a problem.


Moto

Slow M

2,787 posts

213 months

Wednesday 29th August 2018
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Moto said:
That's fine as these will be track only tyres/rims. The smaller circumference will mean acceleration should improve but also it will reduce roll through the corners. As there are unlikely to be potholes etc the lower ride height should not be a problem.


Moto
How will the smaller circumference reduce body roll, through corners?

B

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th August 2018
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What does an Anti-Roll Bar do then!!!!!
Alan

Moto

Original Poster:

1,261 posts

260 months

Thursday 30th August 2018
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Slow M said:
Moto said:
That's fine as these will be track only tyres/rims. The smaller circumference will mean acceleration should improve but also it will reduce roll through the corners. As there are unlikely to be potholes etc the lower ride height should not be a problem.


Moto
How will the smaller circumference reduce body roll, through corners?

B
Smaller circumference tyres will lower the ride height which lowers the centre of gravity which in turn reduces weight transfer which will reduce body roll.

What does an Anti-Roll Bar do then!!!!!

The clues in the name wink I am replacing the std 19mm arb with a 22mm as the main way to reduce body roll.

However I was hoping to get a heads up as to whether anyone has tried 6J Minilites (with 185 or 195 55 profile tyres) on a Vixen and whether rims & tyres clear the suspension and arch ok, especially on full suspension and steering travel. Also does anyone know if longer wheel studs are required with Minilites. Or any other problems people have hit when going this route ?

Moto

Andrew Gray

4,969 posts

156 months

Thursday 30th August 2018
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If you take my Tuscan as an example this is the size and off set that i use on the wires using 205/70/15 tires i run a 5 mm spacer although its not really needed no clearance issues i have shaved the inside of the wheel arch edge on the back slightly as i found that driving hard when she lands over rises the Tyre was just touching on compression
Hope that helps Vixen measurements will be the same
Andrew
http://www.mwsint.com/custom/FitmentGuide/DisplayE...

anonymous-user

61 months

Thursday 30th August 2018
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People are starting to up spring rates on competition cars rather than uprate ARB stiffness at the moment. Either reduces body roll. smile

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 30th August 21:12

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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On my 3000M i have 205/70 on the 14" Rims "T slot" and the car feels very stable. A little heavy when parking but once rolling very nice.
Alan

280i

160 posts

159 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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StewB_v6

77 posts

107 months

Saturday 1st September 2018
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Clearance will differ depending on wheel offset. I'm presently looking for some wheels to suit my S2 Vixen.

What offset are people using with 6J wheels? The TR fitment is aroumnd ET8 with a 6J but the Vixens used an ET -10 or thereabouts.

I can't find anything off the shelf which gives a negative offset.

Stew.

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Hi Stew,
could you tell me what ET8 or ET10 means. We learn something new every day.
Thanks
Alan

plasticpig72

1,647 posts

156 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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I've just looked on the net, distance between centreline of rim to location face
Alan

StewB_v6

77 posts

107 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Pictures paint a thousand words as they say! There is a reasonable image here : https://www.suspensionmaxx.com/tech-support/wheel-...

As has been said it refers to the relative position of the mounting face to the centre line of the tyre mounting area.

ET0 means that the mounting face is on the centre line of the tyre, ET(+)8 would mean that the mounting face is offset outwards by 8mm which in turn means the tyre would sit 8mm further into the car. ET -10 would mean the opposite which would push the tyre outwards.

The vast majority of cars use a positive inset value (ET15 to 45), some of the older RWD cars have lower values but again mostly positive say ET5.

All this is independent of rim width. Backspace is the resultant combination of width & offset plus is generally the important factor when trying to judge if the wheel when fitted will clear chassis, brake & suspension components. As an example a 5.5J wheel may have an overall width of 170mm. If it were ET0 then the centre line would be in line with the mounting face which would give a backspace of 170/2 = 85mm.

If it was a 7J rim with a width of 205mm still with an ET0 offset then the backspacing would be 205/2 = 102.5mm.

If the offset was ET10 then it would be 205/2 = 102.5 +10 = 112.5 backspace.

If the offset was ET-10 then it would be 205/2 = 102.5 -10 = 92.5 backspace.

The older TVRs are a bit odd in the fact that they have a negative offset, ie ET -10. Not many cars use a negative offset as it does put additional loading on bearings & suspension parts plus can give some odd suspension geometry.

Stew

timelord

318 posts

290 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Running 6J Compomotive MLs in my Vixen with 195/65 tyres with no clearance probs. I have got Exactly rear uprights on the car and use no spacers, I'm sure Minilite can supply something similar. Geoff

StewB_v6

77 posts

107 months

Sunday 2nd September 2018
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Do you know the offset of your MLs?

Stew.

Moto

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1,261 posts

260 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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timelord said:
Running 6J Compomotive MLs in my Vixen with 195/65 tyres with no clearance probs. I have got Exactly rear uprights on the car and use no spacers, I'm sure Minilite can supply something similar. Geoff
Geoff,

Thanks, that's useful info. I presume the Exactly uprights are pretty similar to the standard units, in terms of potential for interference with rim/tyre?

Do you know what offset / backspace your rims are ?

Moto

StewB_v6

77 posts

107 months

Monday 3rd September 2018
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Believe the Exactly TVR uprights have an extra 5mm offset vs std parts.

Stew

timelord

318 posts

290 months

Tuesday 4th September 2018
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The Compomotive MLs I bought were TR6 listings so the fronts do look slightly further in to the arch than the rears, you are correct about the extra width on the rear uprights, also slightly more negative camber than originals. Geoff

Moto

Original Poster:

1,261 posts

260 months

Tuesday 4th September 2018
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Curious that both running Comp ML's. Any reason why you went with these rather than Minilites?

Moto