3000M Universal Joint questions
Discussion
Hello all.
Could anyone please tell me the type of UJ on my 3000M please, and how to service (lubricate) them? I have looked for any greasing nipple with nothin obvious to me.
How would i know if they were passed their best please?
Are the inner gaiter and outer plastic 'cover' correct for this car please? The outer looks a little lacking in protection for the outer UJ.
Please see images that may help.
Could anyone please tell me the type of UJ on my 3000M please, and how to service (lubricate) them? I have looked for any greasing nipple with nothin obvious to me.
How would i know if they were passed their best please?
Are the inner gaiter and outer plastic 'cover' correct for this car please? The outer looks a little lacking in protection for the outer UJ.
Please see images that may help.
Found with grease nipples grease rarely goes to all four sets of needle rollers and the outer one is impossible to get at in the rear upright, bit of a waste of time really. Your rubber gaiters need cable ties to hold in place but otherwise the same as my M. When you pull the driveshaft out turn the outer gaiter inside-out and cable tie tight to the shaft to get through the rear upright without destroying the rubber. Geoff
Good evening all.
Many thanks for the replies.
There are definately no service nipple on the inner UJ at least. The outer as best as I can see there isn't one either. So sealed for life they must be. There is no play at all as best as I can tell. I'll look at and self debate other options as suggested thankyou.
Would I be right in assuming that by 'life' it means when play is first noticed on one then change both, or should they be changed on a regular miles/years basis?
Regarding the outer gaiter, mine is a solid plastic one, that clearly doesnt fit into or close to the upright or the shaft, as can be seen in the pic. Is that normal/standard? Cable tie comment noted thankyou for both!
Many thanks for the replies.
There are definately no service nipple on the inner UJ at least. The outer as best as I can see there isn't one either. So sealed for life they must be. There is no play at all as best as I can tell. I'll look at and self debate other options as suggested thankyou.
Would I be right in assuming that by 'life' it means when play is first noticed on one then change both, or should they be changed on a regular miles/years basis?
Regarding the outer gaiter, mine is a solid plastic one, that clearly doesnt fit into or close to the upright or the shaft, as can be seen in the pic. Is that normal/standard? Cable tie comment noted thankyou for both!
Edited by MattT350T on Monday 24th April 21:19
You are correct re the rubber shroud being in wrong place.
That's why it's loose on shaft. Re greasing my top is to use a longer grease nipple .... for greasing purposes only. After greasing put the short one supplied with the new 1300 joint back in. 7mm socket fits the nipples, which were originally 1/4" unf ..... some of cheaper foreign joints don't have imperial nipples.
As suggested change those 4, plus 2 on propshaft & you know they'll be ok for many years. A good quality 6" vice makes the job alot easier .... by time you get to no 6, you'll be changing em in no time !!
That's why it's loose on shaft. Re greasing my top is to use a longer grease nipple .... for greasing purposes only. After greasing put the short one supplied with the new 1300 joint back in. 7mm socket fits the nipples, which were originally 1/4" unf ..... some of cheaper foreign joints don't have imperial nipples.
As suggested change those 4, plus 2 on propshaft & you know they'll be ok for many years. A good quality 6" vice makes the job alot easier .... by time you get to no 6, you'll be changing em in no time !!
)Top stuff! Many thanks for all inputs.
So the gaiters/covers are back to front and incorrectly fitted by previous fitter.
Replacement UJ's - any recommendations of place to buy or TVR Parts? I used to use Dave Gerald, but isnt his stock now TVR Parts?
I have a 6" vice ready and waiting :-)
This may sound silly, but has anyone a pic of their assembly with gaiters/covers on please?
Should the prop shaft UJ's have protective covers to?
So the gaiters/covers are back to front and incorrectly fitted by previous fitter.
Replacement UJ's - any recommendations of place to buy or TVR Parts? I used to use Dave Gerald, but isnt his stock now TVR Parts?
I have a 6" vice ready and waiting :-)
This may sound silly, but has anyone a pic of their assembly with gaiters/covers on please?
Should the prop shaft UJ's have protective covers to?
MattT350T said:
Top stuff! Many thanks for all inputs.
So the gaiters/covers are back to front and incorrectly fitted by previous fitter.
Replacement UJ's - any recommendations of place to buy or TVR Parts? I used to use Dave Gerald, but isnt his stock now TVR Parts?
I have a 6" vice ready and waiting :-)
This may sound silly, but has anyone a pic of their assembly with gaiters/covers on please?
Should the prop shaft UJ's have protective covers to?
David Gerald is Business as usual after selling the parts business to TVR they become agents so any parts TVR supply and have in stock they can supply however if TVR dont supply or have available then they are free to still supply from there other suppliers so give them a call So the gaiters/covers are back to front and incorrectly fitted by previous fitter.
Replacement UJ's - any recommendations of place to buy or TVR Parts? I used to use Dave Gerald, but isnt his stock now TVR Parts?
I have a 6" vice ready and waiting :-)
This may sound silly, but has anyone a pic of their assembly with gaiters/covers on please?
Should the prop shaft UJ's have protective covers to?
Andrew
MattT350T said:
Should the prop shaft UJ's have protective covers to?
No they don't and personally for a low mileage fair weather hobby car I wouldn't bother on the drive shafts, but you do want the bellows on the sliding splines.TVR specialists may stock uj's with grease nipples, if not get some for a Land Rover, I suggest you get someone to confirm but these could be the little tinkers......... clicky
Another small point of note. When I changed the UJ's on mine there were no signs of play or any failure, I just did it as a matter of course whilst rebuilding the suspension. When they came off I was surprised at the poor condition of them internally. All were extremely stiff and dry and one was fully of rusty bent needles, completely seized - yet they were sealed for life type. I replaced with new units that have a grease nipple and grease them (push type gun as already advised) every year. I force the grease in until it bleeds out of the seal, on the basis that at that pressure it should have fully circulated internally.
Prior to purchase the car had been "dry stored" for 5 years but I was still surprised. It had also passed 2 or 3 MOT's and not been spotted - so failed UJ's are not always easy to spot externally.
Moto
Prior to purchase the car had been "dry stored" for 5 years but I was still surprised. It had also passed 2 or 3 MOT's and not been spotted - so failed UJ's are not always easy to spot externally.
Moto
Good evening all.
Many thanks for all inputs back in April.
I now have both inner half shafts off and UJ's out. They looked reasonable but I have new ones with nipples fitted. Lovely.
One question, what is the correct procedure for removing the outer one please? More specifically, how does one remove the outer half shaft? Am i correct to assume that i need to try and remove the 20something mm nut (brake drum removed) as a starting point?
Many thanks in advance.
Matt
Many thanks for all inputs back in April.
I now have both inner half shafts off and UJ's out. They looked reasonable but I have new ones with nipples fitted. Lovely.
One question, what is the correct procedure for removing the outer one please? More specifically, how does one remove the outer half shaft? Am i correct to assume that i need to try and remove the 20something mm nut (brake drum removed) as a starting point?
Many thanks in advance.
Matt
Hello everyone.
Slow burner this one ... but I've successfully swapped out the inner uj on both sides, thanks for everyone's advice.
I have not been able to remove the hubs from the uprights though to be able to change the outer ujs. Alan's picture is great, thankyou but am I missing something or is it just the 6fasteners holding things together and a bit of corrosion or something preventing final removal?
Slow burner this one ... but I've successfully swapped out the inner uj on both sides, thanks for everyone's advice.
I have not been able to remove the hubs from the uprights though to be able to change the outer ujs. Alan's picture is great, thankyou but am I missing something or is it just the 6fasteners holding things together and a bit of corrosion or something preventing final removal?
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