Griffith 200 front suspension - help needed
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I could really need some help here:
I am rebuilding a 1965 Griffith 200 and I need the below mentoned parts which I know comes from a standard Triumph model - my problem is that I don't know exactly which model they originate from. And I know it might be different models TR4 and Herald
Can anybody help please?
Ulrik
I am rebuilding a 1965 Griffith 200 and I need the below mentoned parts which I know comes from a standard Triumph model - my problem is that I don't know exactly which model they originate from. And I know it might be different models TR4 and Herald
Can anybody help please?
- Vertical link
- Steering arm - linked to the steering rack
- Steering rack
- Trunnion bush
- Stub axle
- Front wheel bearing
- Brake disc
Ulrik
Hi,
I have to confess that I don't have direct experience of Griffiths, so take the following with a pinch of salt. I think Griff 200s and Grantura MkIIIs use the same components as the Vixens, which are indeed Triumph. If i recall correctly the main difference is that the the Griff uses the bottom wish bone from a Herald, although the Vixens use a custom made TVR lower wishbone.
The upright (vertical link) is the Herald item, but I believe they are swapped so the the left hand herald upright goes on the right in the TVR.
The trunnion is then, of course, Herald too.
The stub axle is actually TR6 and not Herald, because the hub and wheel bearings are TR6. Be careful because it seems many of the new TR6 stub axles are very poorly made and the tapers are even wrong on one batch.
The steering arm comes from a Standard 8 or Standard 10. These are very difficult to find, but I am sure you can get them from Historic TVR specialists. I believe a replacement is available from Mike Brotherwood Lotus, but it is machined from billet steel and quite expensive. Don't be tempted to try herald/vitesse/Spitfire ones, they are all the wrong size/shape.
The front disc brake is TR6.
The steering rack is a Triumph item that was modified by TVR to suit the chassis. so if you have one then you should get it rebuilt rather than getting an exchange or new item. I think the modification was to change the length of the outer threaded rods to suit the Griffith track
I hope this puts you on the right track. The above does seem to fit with on line photos of Griffs I have seen.
Good luck with the rebuild, please post up pictures and progress, we all like to see how other peoples rebuilds are going!.
I have to confess that I don't have direct experience of Griffiths, so take the following with a pinch of salt. I think Griff 200s and Grantura MkIIIs use the same components as the Vixens, which are indeed Triumph. If i recall correctly the main difference is that the the Griff uses the bottom wish bone from a Herald, although the Vixens use a custom made TVR lower wishbone.
The upright (vertical link) is the Herald item, but I believe they are swapped so the the left hand herald upright goes on the right in the TVR.
The trunnion is then, of course, Herald too.
The stub axle is actually TR6 and not Herald, because the hub and wheel bearings are TR6. Be careful because it seems many of the new TR6 stub axles are very poorly made and the tapers are even wrong on one batch.
The steering arm comes from a Standard 8 or Standard 10. These are very difficult to find, but I am sure you can get them from Historic TVR specialists. I believe a replacement is available from Mike Brotherwood Lotus, but it is machined from billet steel and quite expensive. Don't be tempted to try herald/vitesse/Spitfire ones, they are all the wrong size/shape.
The front disc brake is TR6.
The steering rack is a Triumph item that was modified by TVR to suit the chassis. so if you have one then you should get it rebuilt rather than getting an exchange or new item. I think the modification was to change the length of the outer threaded rods to suit the Griffith track
I hope this puts you on the right track. The above does seem to fit with on line photos of Griffs I have seen.
Good luck with the rebuild, please post up pictures and progress, we all like to see how other peoples rebuilds are going!.
Edited by Astacus on Friday 7th April 00:58
Edited by Astacus on Friday 7th April 07:01
Astacus said:
The stub axle is actually TR6 and not Herald, because the hub and wheel bearings are TR6. Be careful because it seems many of the new TR6 stub axles are very poorly made and the tapers are even wrong on one batch.
If it's TR6 this is the way to go.................... clicky
Many many thanks for the contributions so far. This is really good news.
Astacus, when you say Herald I believe that there are several versions to choose from. Have you any idea which of them is the correct to choose from?
And one other thing I forgot to ask is where the caliper mounting bracket came from? The Griffith has the 3 pot Girling caliper found on Volvos and later E-Types.
Kind regards
Ulrik
Astacus, when you say Herald I believe that there are several versions to choose from. Have you any idea which of them is the correct to choose from?
And one other thing I forgot to ask is where the caliper mounting bracket came from? The Griffith has the 3 pot Girling caliper found on Volvos and later E-Types.
Kind regards
Ulrik
Edited by Racingdenmark on Friday 7th April 08:56
I am not sure re versions, but I can look at my records this evening and tell you the part number for the uprights etc, which I used on my Vixen suspension refurb.
There is one other part you didn't mention and that is the top swivel joint. I don't know whether you have managed to source these; I don't know whether they are particular to any other application, I was told that they are TVR specials. I bought mine from David Gerald's (Now Classic World Racing) when they were still doing early TVR parts, but I believe they are available from other specialists.
The Grantura III dust shields are modified TR6 items, I think, but it sounds like the brakes themselves are different so probably not applicable to the Griff.
There is one other part you didn't mention and that is the top swivel joint. I don't know whether you have managed to source these; I don't know whether they are particular to any other application, I was told that they are TVR specials. I bought mine from David Gerald's (Now Classic World Racing) when they were still doing early TVR parts, but I believe they are available from other specialists.
The Grantura III dust shields are modified TR6 items, I think, but it sounds like the brakes themselves are different so probably not applicable to the Griff.
Astacus said:
Yes many thanks - I have already given him a mail this afternoon 
Here my memory is a little sketchy, but I think the vertical links are from the Drum Brake - trype cars, The receipt for mine confirm this. The LH (on the herald) link is 209223 on Rimmers.
There may be some uprated versions available. I believe these are considered to be a weak link in the suspension set up for Griff racers, Dollyman will have details on this (Neil). Someone like Nigel Rueben will probably stock the best.
There may be some uprated versions available. I believe these are considered to be a weak link in the suspension set up for Griff racers, Dollyman will have details on this (Neil). Someone like Nigel Rueben will probably stock the best.
Vertical link - Triumph Herald
Steering arm - linked to the steering rack -205505 ORIGINAL STANPART TRIUMPH STEERING ARM GT6 VITESSE HERALD DRUM BRAKE
Steering rack - Triumph HERALD VITESSE SPITFIRE - Slightly modified at connection points - see photo - rack has 2 circular spacers and 2 oblong spacers on each side (pictured above steering arm in photo).
Trunnion bush - TRIUMPH HERALD SPITFIRE GT6 VITESSE
Stub axle - TR4
FRONT Wheel Bearing TR4
Brake disc - TR4 - Solid Rotor Milled down to fit caliper.
Steering arm - linked to the steering rack -205505 ORIGINAL STANPART TRIUMPH STEERING ARM GT6 VITESSE HERALD DRUM BRAKE
Steering rack - Triumph HERALD VITESSE SPITFIRE - Slightly modified at connection points - see photo - rack has 2 circular spacers and 2 oblong spacers on each side (pictured above steering arm in photo).
Trunnion bush - TRIUMPH HERALD SPITFIRE GT6 VITESSE
Stub axle - TR4
FRONT Wheel Bearing TR4
Brake disc - TR4 - Solid Rotor Milled down to fit caliper.
Edited by sunbeamtiger65 on Sunday 9th April 02:42
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