True Beauty CLM99H
Discussion
Looks like CLM99H is for sale.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...
To me, by today's standards, this seems to be a bargain. A similar champion, from any other stable, from Alfa, Ford, or Lotus, would surely expect to bring more, and would probably be auctioned, along much fanfare.
Even to my jaundiced eye, 'lovely bit of kit' doesn't begin to describe it. Let's hope the newest custodian will find as much pleasure in ownership, as did the first.
Best regards,
Bernard.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...
To me, by today's standards, this seems to be a bargain. A similar champion, from any other stable, from Alfa, Ford, or Lotus, would surely expect to bring more, and would probably be auctioned, along much fanfare.
Even to my jaundiced eye, 'lovely bit of kit' doesn't begin to describe it. Let's hope the newest custodian will find as much pleasure in ownership, as did the first.
Best regards,
Bernard.
It would be a shame if historic racing 'stops' at Dec 1965, personally I think modsports was a fantastic period that should equally be preserved. I understand CSCC are running a modsports / special saloon class, whilst this won't get you to Le Mans / Monaco etc you should be able to race with like minded racers. If Goodwood could be persuaded to run an exhibition class it would probably be very popular (Porsche engined Beetles, V8 Mk1 Escorts, Lola based Imps, Baby Bertha etc).
For comparison the Ex John Miles Modsports Turner VUD 701 was recently for sale for a sum significantly in excess of the asking price for Dr Rod Longton's Tuscan.
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Rob
For comparison the Ex John Miles Modsports Turner VUD 701 was recently for sale for a sum significantly in excess of the asking price for Dr Rod Longton's Tuscan.
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Rob
Edited by RobMk2a on Wednesday 10th February 08:24
Nice Car and as Neil says not suitable for pre 65 racing and probably not developed as well as existing HSCC cars out there today certainly no history in its current mechanical re furb.
From a cosmetic side it is rather scruffy and depending on the potential purchaser some would like that and some would not personally I would want it restored hence why I would not buy her as it would destroy the history which it is nice to see kept it is a hard one and only those with 70k spare and the desire to spend can decide
Would certainly be nice to see her on track racing then we could see how competitive she is if they had done a season of racing with her and seen good results then I could see the justification of the price.
Is She priced to sell or priced for another reason?
Andrew
From a cosmetic side it is rather scruffy and depending on the potential purchaser some would like that and some would not personally I would want it restored hence why I would not buy her as it would destroy the history which it is nice to see kept it is a hard one and only those with 70k spare and the desire to spend can decide
Would certainly be nice to see her on track racing then we could see how competitive she is if they had done a season of racing with her and seen good results then I could see the justification of the price.
Is She priced to sell or priced for another reason?
Andrew
I have issues with perceived values as they don't always represent what happens in the real world, for example I see a lot of Granturas for sale at 30K+ but I don't see them selling for that.
I also think my Vixen is worth 100K, I'm just waiting for someone else to agree with me.
As for CLM99H I think its a great car, I think its over priced but I think most cars sold by str8six are pricey. If I was to spend that sort of money on a TVR id wait till next year and buy a new one
I also think my Vixen is worth 100K, I'm just waiting for someone else to agree with me.
As for CLM99H I think its a great car, I think its over priced but I think most cars sold by str8six are pricey. If I was to spend that sort of money on a TVR id wait till next year and buy a new one
alphaone said:
I have issues with perceived values as they don't always represent what happens in the real world, for example I see a lot of Granturas for sale at 30K+ but I don't see them selling for that.
I also think my Vixen is worth 100K, I'm just waiting for someone else to agree with me.
As for CLM99H I think its a great car, I think its over priced but I think most cars sold by str8six are pricey. If I was to spend that sort of money on a TVR id wait till next year and buy a new one
You may be right but just called into Ferhurst on the way home and the Griffith 100/100 with 6000 miles has sold for 70k and a nice 3000 mile car in a rather nice Red went for 40k so good cars over all the Marque are fetching good money as people waken up to how great the cars are probably new to TVR owners which will please some and not othersI also think my Vixen is worth 100K, I'm just waiting for someone else to agree with me.
As for CLM99H I think its a great car, I think its over priced but I think most cars sold by str8six are pricey. If I was to spend that sort of money on a TVR id wait till next year and buy a new one
As I suspected a few years ago the later Griffiths are becoming very sought after in pristine condition I just wonder are they being bought to use or lock away hopefully use
Andrew
RobMk2a said:
It would be a shame if historic racing 'stops' at Dec 1965, personally I think modsports was a fantastic period that should equally be preserved. I understand CSCC are running a modsports / special saloon class, whilst this won't get you to Le Mans / Monaco etc you should be able to race with like minded racers. If Goodwood could be persuaded to run an exhibition class it would probably be very popular (Porsche engined Beetles, V8 Mk1 Escorts, Lola based Imps, Baby Bertha etc).
For comparison the Ex John Miles Modsports Turner VUD 701 was recently for sale for a sum significantly in excess of the asking price for Dr Rod Longton's Tuscan.
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Rob
I agree. The state of Historic racing has often put paid to the existence of some very significant mod sports cars. the problem is that apart from a limited few club series. The car is not eligible for Fia nor a lot of other more std based championships such as HSCC etc. This will undoubtedly limit its value.For comparison the Ex John Miles Modsports Turner VUD 701 was recently for sale for a sum significantly in excess of the asking price for Dr Rod Longton's Tuscan.
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Rob
Edited by RobMk2a on Wednesday 10th February 08:24
Again though Value to me not so important. This car has lovely history and provenance..Perhaps some of the more fuddy duddy championships need to open up a little more and recognise the significant part in Club motorsport history that these cars played!!
I think it needs raced rather than sold
N.
Dollyman1850 said:
I agree. The state of Historic racing has often put paid to the existence of some very significant mod sports cars. the problem is that apart from a limited few club series. The car is not eligible for Fia nor a lot of other more std based championships such as HSCC etc. This will undoubtedly limit its value.
Again though Value to me not so important. This car has lovely history and provenance..Perhaps some of the more fuddy duddy championships need to open up a little more and recognise the significant part in Club motorsport history that these cars played!!
I think it needs raced rather than sold
N.
As it stands, it's an expensive museum piece. Restore it for road use and you've an expensive road car. Get it ready for racing and you've got an expensive race car. Again though Value to me not so important. This car has lovely history and provenance..Perhaps some of the more fuddy duddy championships need to open up a little more and recognise the significant part in Club motorsport history that these cars played!!
I think it needs raced rather than sold
N.
Don't understand the thought behind the asking price. I think its a very expensive ornament, I hope it sells.
Good luck Jason
From 1948 to 2006, TVR built a continuous, uninterrupted string of wonderful sports cars. No sedans, no hot hatches, no plumped up GTs, only objects with a purity of purpose. Many of these were even elevated, subsequent to purchase, in specification and performance, by their owners. Nonetheless, during all of that time, they built only a couple of handfuls of genuine legends. Cars that even non-aficionados of the marque could find true joy in.
The Griffiths are part of that legacy, albeit not entirely, as the concept, as well as the initial production came from not only an outsider, but also from another country. To wit, they were even badged differently.
Those cars, that spring immediately to mind as having achieved legendary status, include the Sebring Granturas, the example being debated, here, Brian Hough's Tuscan, Martin's Mild Mooover, the Turbo S, and the 7/12s.
Photo Credit: I pilfered this from STR8 SIX's facebook feed.
Of all of these, The only one to have one a significant championship, and still be in existence, is this Tuscan. What's more, the series it won, is arguably one of the greatest of all time. It was the wildest, for lovers of sports cars, not only in Britain, but the world over. So, in the context of what this car means to TVR history, I hope we can all agree, that it is an extremely important piece.
Then, there is the other perspective, the one that looks at a significant car not only from a marque devotee's eyes, but in the broader context of other cars (surprisingly, they do exist). In relation to, for instance, an unimportant, overrated Ferrari 308 changing hands for the same amount, or a Porsche 911, with remotely similar history, fetching around three times as much, this car is an absolute bargain.
While there are surely organizers that will not allow it to run, others will, and I have a sneaking suspicion, that developing this car could be as much fun as one can have, without fear of being arrested.
Best regards,
Bernard.
The Griffiths are part of that legacy, albeit not entirely, as the concept, as well as the initial production came from not only an outsider, but also from another country. To wit, they were even badged differently.
Those cars, that spring immediately to mind as having achieved legendary status, include the Sebring Granturas, the example being debated, here, Brian Hough's Tuscan, Martin's Mild Mooover, the Turbo S, and the 7/12s.
Photo Credit: I pilfered this from STR8 SIX's facebook feed.
Of all of these, The only one to have one a significant championship, and still be in existence, is this Tuscan. What's more, the series it won, is arguably one of the greatest of all time. It was the wildest, for lovers of sports cars, not only in Britain, but the world over. So, in the context of what this car means to TVR history, I hope we can all agree, that it is an extremely important piece.
Then, there is the other perspective, the one that looks at a significant car not only from a marque devotee's eyes, but in the broader context of other cars (surprisingly, they do exist). In relation to, for instance, an unimportant, overrated Ferrari 308 changing hands for the same amount, or a Porsche 911, with remotely similar history, fetching around three times as much, this car is an absolute bargain.
While there are surely organizers that will not allow it to run, others will, and I have a sneaking suspicion, that developing this car could be as much fun as one can have, without fear of being arrested.
Best regards,
Bernard.
Slow M said:
From 1948 to 2006, TVR built a continuous, uninterrupted string of wonderful sports cars. No sedans, no hot hatches, no plumped up GTs, only objects with a purity of purpose. Many of these were even elevated, subsequent to purchase, in specification and performance, by their owners. Nonetheless, during all of that time, they built only a couple of handfuls of genuine legends. Cars that even non-aficionados of the marque could find true joy in.
The Griffiths are part of that legacy, albeit not entirely, as the concept, as well as the initial production came from not only an outsider, but also from another country. To wit, they were even badged differently.
Those cars, that spring immediately to mind as having achieved legendary status, include the Sebring Granturas, the example being debated, here, Brian Hough's Tuscan, Martin's Mild Mooover, the Turbo S, and the 7/12s.
Photo Credit: I pilfered this from STR8 SIX's facebook feed.
Of all of these, The only one to have one a significant championship, and still be in existence, is this Tuscan. What's more, the series it won, is arguably one of the greatest of all time. It was the wildest, for lovers of sports cars, not only in Britain, but the world over. So, in the context of what this car means to TVR history, I hope we can all agree, that it is an extremely important piece.
Then, there is the other perspective, the one that looks at a significant car not only from a marque devotee's eyes, but in the broader context of other cars (surprisingly, they do exist). In relation to, for instance, an unimportant, overrated Ferrari 308 changing hands for the same amount, or a Porsche 911, with remotely similar history, fetching around three times as much, this car is an absolute bargain.
While there are surely organizers that will not allow it to run, others will, and I have a sneaking suspicion, that developing this car could be as much fun as one can have, without fear of being arrested.
Best regards,
Bernard.
Sounds like you should buy her with you vast engineering Knowledge she would soon be winning something Bernard ?The Griffiths are part of that legacy, albeit not entirely, as the concept, as well as the initial production came from not only an outsider, but also from another country. To wit, they were even badged differently.
Those cars, that spring immediately to mind as having achieved legendary status, include the Sebring Granturas, the example being debated, here, Brian Hough's Tuscan, Martin's Mild Mooover, the Turbo S, and the 7/12s.
Photo Credit: I pilfered this from STR8 SIX's facebook feed.
Of all of these, The only one to have one a significant championship, and still be in existence, is this Tuscan. What's more, the series it won, is arguably one of the greatest of all time. It was the wildest, for lovers of sports cars, not only in Britain, but the world over. So, in the context of what this car means to TVR history, I hope we can all agree, that it is an extremely important piece.
Then, there is the other perspective, the one that looks at a significant car not only from a marque devotee's eyes, but in the broader context of other cars (surprisingly, they do exist). In relation to, for instance, an unimportant, overrated Ferrari 308 changing hands for the same amount, or a Porsche 911, with remotely similar history, fetching around three times as much, this car is an absolute bargain.
While there are surely organizers that will not allow it to run, others will, and I have a sneaking suspicion, that developing this car could be as much fun as one can have, without fear of being arrested.
Best regards,
Bernard.
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alphaone said:
"From 1948 to 2006, TVR built a continuous, uninterrupted string of wonderful sports cars"
Apart from the number of times it closed because of money issues, or supply issues or fire.
All part of the history though and much more colourful than than a German production line conveyor belt story! This car is fantastic, and with the period patina but restored mechanicals that really do it for me. Shame about the price but I might just sell up to buy it I'm sure I could fit a bed in it and live on my own happily in a car park somewhere.... Apart from the number of times it closed because of money issues, or supply issues or fire.
When it was at Burleigh last year the paint was nicely faded and appeared original to its racing days - has it been resprayed?
Note : Edited in bold having told my OH of the post
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 12th February 19:35
V6Pushfit said:
alphaone said:
"From 1948 to 2006, TVR built a continuous, uninterrupted string of wonderful sports cars"
Apart from the number of times it closed because of money issues, or supply issues or fire.
All part of the history though and much more colourful than than a German production line conveyor belt story! This car is fantastic, and with the period patina but restored mechanicals that really do it for me. Shame about the price but I might just sell up to buy it I'm sure I could fit a bed in it and live happily in a car park somewhere.... Apart from the number of times it closed because of money issues, or supply issues or fire.
When it was at Burleigh last year the paint was nicely faded and appeared original to its racing days - has it been resprayed?
Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 12th February 15:51
Just to resurrect this thread as I've just purchased CLM99H!!
I've owned TVR's for the past 12 years (Chimera and Cerbera) and love the cars, their styling and performance.
I drove it from Str8six to Arundel yesterday afternoon (with the old gearbox and a box of miscellanous original spare parts on the passenger seat), which was a brilliant experience, as it's running in I'm keeping the revs below 4k.
TVR Car Club are also sending some info and history.
For the short term I just want to drive the car, get any teething troubles sorted and will then "track it" at a few events next year.
I may race it, but it will need a couple of sets of new wheels (just noticed that J A Pearce are now back in business), new role cage and I'm sure some other "bits n bobs".
I plan to leave the body and interior exactly as is, it has so much history, the smell is 'old time' and I love the rough nature of the outside and immaculate condition of all the running gear.
Any help, advice, thoughts and recommendations will be gratefully appreciated.
Best and thanks in advance.
Duncan
I've owned TVR's for the past 12 years (Chimera and Cerbera) and love the cars, their styling and performance.
I drove it from Str8six to Arundel yesterday afternoon (with the old gearbox and a box of miscellanous original spare parts on the passenger seat), which was a brilliant experience, as it's running in I'm keeping the revs below 4k.
TVR Car Club are also sending some info and history.
For the short term I just want to drive the car, get any teething troubles sorted and will then "track it" at a few events next year.
I may race it, but it will need a couple of sets of new wheels (just noticed that J A Pearce are now back in business), new role cage and I'm sure some other "bits n bobs".
I plan to leave the body and interior exactly as is, it has so much history, the smell is 'old time' and I love the rough nature of the outside and immaculate condition of all the running gear.
Any help, advice, thoughts and recommendations will be gratefully appreciated.
Best and thanks in advance.
Duncan
Congratulations Duncan, an interesting piece of TVR history which sounds like it is going to be cherished and enjoyed. There are a few older TVRs local to you including my Vixen (slow restoration project) a couple of other Vixens and an M that I can think of. The West Sussex TVRCC meet at Goodwood every 3rd Sunday and have evening meets as well, but I've not been for a while and few cars older than wedges.
Best of luck with whatever you decide to do with it and I look forward to seeing it out and about.
Matt
Best of luck with whatever you decide to do with it and I look forward to seeing it out and about.
Matt
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