Pondering future classics ?
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What's the outlook for potential future classics? That's what I was asking myself whilst reading an article on the planned 2017 TVR's.
It seems to me that post MY 2000 cars are so complicated, it's beyond the DIY enthusiast to maintain them. And even if you can DIY, the cost of parts is so high compared to todays classics. My mate was just quoted £800 + labour for new brake pads (just pads) on his 2004 Aston. I don't suppose new TVR's will be very different.
Cars seem to be designed to last 10 years. When parts start to fail (and there are so many of them with all the electronics, motors, sensors, wiring, airbags etc etc etc) are they worth maintaining?
If not, are we saying modern Porches, Ferrari's & future TVR's etc will be scrapped? Is this why a 997 Porsche is so cheap to buy today?
Or am I just being a pessimist?
Moto
It seems to me that post MY 2000 cars are so complicated, it's beyond the DIY enthusiast to maintain them. And even if you can DIY, the cost of parts is so high compared to todays classics. My mate was just quoted £800 + labour for new brake pads (just pads) on his 2004 Aston. I don't suppose new TVR's will be very different.
Cars seem to be designed to last 10 years. When parts start to fail (and there are so many of them with all the electronics, motors, sensors, wiring, airbags etc etc etc) are they worth maintaining?
If not, are we saying modern Porches, Ferrari's & future TVR's etc will be scrapped? Is this why a 997 Porsche is so cheap to buy today?
Or am I just being a pessimist?
Moto
Moto said:
What's the outlook for potential future classics? That's what I was asking myself whilst reading an article on the planned 2017 TVR's.
It seems to me that post MY 2000 cars are so complicated, it's beyond the DIY enthusiast to maintain them. And even if you can DIY, the cost of parts is so high compared to todays classics. My mate was just quoted £800 + labour for new brake pads (just pads) on his 2004 Aston. I don't suppose new TVR's will be very different.
Cars seem to be designed to last 10 years. When parts start to fail (and there are so many of them with all the electronics, motors, sensors, wiring, airbags etc etc etc) are they worth maintaining?
If not, are we saying modern Porches, Ferrari's & future TVR's etc will be scrapped? Is this why a 997 Porsche is so cheap to buy today?
Or am I just being a pessimist?
Moto
I think your right however the few survivor examples of some marques will become classics but daily user classics like we can see today with our MGs and TVRs and Triumphs I don't think so It seems to me that post MY 2000 cars are so complicated, it's beyond the DIY enthusiast to maintain them. And even if you can DIY, the cost of parts is so high compared to todays classics. My mate was just quoted £800 + labour for new brake pads (just pads) on his 2004 Aston. I don't suppose new TVR's will be very different.
Cars seem to be designed to last 10 years. When parts start to fail (and there are so many of them with all the electronics, motors, sensors, wiring, airbags etc etc etc) are they worth maintaining?
If not, are we saying modern Porches, Ferrari's & future TVR's etc will be scrapped? Is this why a 997 Porsche is so cheap to buy today?
Or am I just being a pessimist?
Moto
If you had a Time machine and went forward 30 years it will be your hand built cars like your Morgans etc and that kind of car that will be the classics of the future or some models at least look at some of the AMG cars that where 60 to 80k 15 years ago and the equivalent are over 100k today they are at stilly money and hard to sell as the service costs alone are not far off the cost of what they are worth today
Here is a perfect example and a full service with brakes etc will be half the cost of the car and cost £110 000 new?
Will they become classics not if the insurance companies have anything to do with it a small accident and its a write off and off to be stripped of parts
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C679886
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Edited by Andrew Gray on Thursday 19th November 16:51
Andrew Gray said:
I think your right however the few survivor examples of some marques will become classics but daily user classics like we can see today with our MGs and TVRs and Triumphs I don't think so
If you had a Time machine and went forward 30 years it will be your hand built cars like your Morgans etc and that kind of car that will be the classics of the future or some models at least look at some of the AMG cars that where 60 to 80k 15 years ago and the equivalent are over 100k today they are at silly money and hard to sell as the service costs alone are not far off the cost of what they are worth today
Here is a perfect example and a full service with brakes etc will be half the cost of the car and cost £110 000 new?
Will they become classics not if the insurance companies have anything to do with it a small accident and its a write off and off to be stripped of parts
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C679886
A
Interesting point there Mr Gray. Easy to rack up say £6K damage on bodywork so a £110K car is a write off after 10 years for a 5% repair cost on original value. Dangerous ground if you've had it and cherished it from new and had a knock. If you had a Time machine and went forward 30 years it will be your hand built cars like your Morgans etc and that kind of car that will be the classics of the future or some models at least look at some of the AMG cars that where 60 to 80k 15 years ago and the equivalent are over 100k today they are at silly money and hard to sell as the service costs alone are not far off the cost of what they are worth today
Here is a perfect example and a full service with brakes etc will be half the cost of the car and cost £110 000 new?
Will they become classics not if the insurance companies have anything to do with it a small accident and its a write off and off to be stripped of parts
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C679886
A
Edited by Andrew Gray on Thursday 19th November 16:51
Wait 30 years for it to become a classic? No way, I'm with the Wartburgs too!
And anything pre approx 1995 has got to endure as its so easy to fix long term.
In fact scratch that - DAFs. A wankel rotary engined skip, basically. The cause of great amusement in the workshop in 1974 due to the engine type
Here's a similar type with typical March spelling as well to add to the comedy:http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C646107
Edited by V6Pushfit on Thursday 19th November 18:19
Edited by V6Pushfit on Thursday 19th November 18:24
Some techies believe we will have self driving cars soon, and so in 30 years, you won't even be able to drive your classic on the open road.... Yeah....but it's possible.
I think it's a deliberate marketing strategy for parts, exactly same principle as those ridiculous coffee pod machines... sell the car/machine cheaply to start with, then charge the earth for parts/replacements/consumables once you are locked in. Bast*rds.
And of course, the design life is shortened, to make everyone buy a new machine as soon as possible, and repeat the cycle.
I do seem to remember that 10 years has been the 'official' life support (i.e. parts supply)for quite a while now.
I think it's a deliberate marketing strategy for parts, exactly same principle as those ridiculous coffee pod machines... sell the car/machine cheaply to start with, then charge the earth for parts/replacements/consumables once you are locked in. Bast*rds.
And of course, the design life is shortened, to make everyone buy a new machine as soon as possible, and repeat the cycle.
I do seem to remember that 10 years has been the 'official' life support (i.e. parts supply)for quite a while now.
its amazing how many fools are taken in with all this talk of Green, environmentalism….We are more wasteful than we have ever been…couple that to people being more stupid and not having a clue about old fashioned concepts such as engineering and you come to the situation where the few start to make things very very expensive for the masses….
Landrovers will be a very good bet over the next 5 years I reckon… Trouble is I cured myself of them forever when I owned this….
Shudder to think how much it has appreciated in the last couple of years!!
cars have become the equivalent of white goods!!
if I see another car ad where the product is sold on the basis of being able to send a gay message to your effeminate best mate coz he shagged your ex girlfriend I swear I will kick the telly in…
another couple of years and I plan to go off grid
N.
Landrovers will be a very good bet over the next 5 years I reckon… Trouble is I cured myself of them forever when I owned this….
Shudder to think how much it has appreciated in the last couple of years!!
cars have become the equivalent of white goods!!
if I see another car ad where the product is sold on the basis of being able to send a gay message to your effeminate best mate coz he shagged your ex girlfriend I swear I will kick the telly in…
another couple of years and I plan to go off grid
N.
griff 200 said:
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. The latest restoration from the w/ shop. Worth more now than it was new ! Mind you it's taken me 3 years to finish the old girl as every nut and bolt has been worked on. Richard 
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griff 200 said:
. The latest restoration from the w/ shop. Worth more now than it was new ! Mind you it's taken me 3 years to finish the old girl as every nut and bolt has been worked on. Richard 
V6Pushfit said:
In fact scratch that - DAFs. A wankel rotary engined skip, basically. The cause of great amusement in the workshop in 1974 due to the engine type Here's a similar type with typical March spelling as well to add to the comedy:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C646107
No wankels, just rubber bands and aircooled flat twins surely? Here's a similar type with typical March spelling as well to add to the comedy:http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C646107
Dollyman1850 said:
Landrovers will be a very good bet over the next 5 years I reckon… Trouble is I cured myself of them forever when I owned this….
Shudder to think how much it has appreciated in the last couple of years!!
Stage ones probably always were the collectable end of the series 3 spectrum, CSW stage ones being the likely top end. A local farmer has had one like yours moldering in a field for 20 years; I'll have to give myself a giggle and see what ridiculous figure he thinks it's worth.Shudder to think how much it has appreciated in the last couple of years!!
hidetheelephants said:
Stage ones probably always were the collectable end of the series 3 spectrum, CSW stage ones being the likely top end. A local farmer has had one like yours moldering in a field for 20 years; I'll have to give myself a giggle and see what ridiculous figure he thinks it's worth.
Works for a living and going up in value............perfect
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