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That was quick, although I guess it isn't an AC...
My BiL had seen this on Twitter/Facebook at the weekend, and then in the fibreglass at top of the test hill on the Brooklands Members Day. Strange wheel arrangement!
My brother's old Grantura was 248TMB, with an MGA engine, so assume the same Cheshire dealer ( Aitchison Hopton?).
My BiL had seen this on Twitter/Facebook at the weekend, and then in the fibreglass at top of the test hill on the Brooklands Members Day. Strange wheel arrangement!
My brother's old Grantura was 248TMB, with an MGA engine, so assume the same Cheshire dealer ( Aitchison Hopton?).
Will keep eye out for all these elite beating grannies 1 & 2a's then.
Having owned 2 mk2a's and mk 3 I know which I would invest alot of time and money in to produce a competitive race car, probably neither lol.
You need to look at the potential of each car and the later mk 3 and onwards make much better and competitive cars when all set up equally, after all you are there to race so all advantages taken.
Having owned 2 mk2a's and mk 3 I know which I would invest alot of time and money in to produce a competitive race car, probably neither lol.
You need to look at the potential of each car and the later mk 3 and onwards make much better and competitive cars when all set up equally, after all you are there to race so all advantages taken.
Hullygully said:
7/F = ford engine. They cold beat Elites in the right hands (and with a mechanic who understood how to adjust the 'flawed' suspension).
I do have the same opinion as "Hullygully".There are things which should be improved on the MKI chassis and suspension. If these
improvements are FIA legal the car has that potential as "Hullygully" said.
Btw. the bonnet on 296TMB is a genuine/original lightweight bonnet.
K.W.
Well its dropped 2,500 wait another few weeks will be at 5000
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-Grantura-Project-/33...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-Grantura-Project-/33...
Perhaps I should have been more specific in my use of language...in period, these cars did beat Elites in the right hands etc. The bonnet is one of a range of alternative (aftermarket) bonnets available for people who fancied more streamlined treatment of the indicators/light weight items for club racing and similar events. One of the period modifications to improve the competitive potential of the cars was to make the front steering rods equal length which improved balance when cornering hard. It seems a lot of period practise has been forgotten/lost from this era. In my opinion the Mk3 chassis (and Elans) are from the next generation of engineering, so...when racing, earlier cars are not likely to be in with much of a chance against later machines.
I've been researching TVR Grantura racing and whilst I agree the Mk3 chassis is an improvement over the Mk2, Mark is correct in saying that in period Mk2 Grantura's were fairly successful in club racing. Keith Aitchison, Chris Summers & Tommy Entwistle all raced competitive MkII's. Tommy Entwistle's MkIIA lightweight was second in the Freddie Dixon Challenge in 1962.
The trouble with historic racing today is that it does not accurately reflect racing in period. For example this picture shows Chris Summers Arden tuned MkII at Mallory Park in June 1962. Chris Summers was 1st at 78.21 mph and Rogers AC Bristol 2nd Morgan's TVR was 4th just behind the Turner but in front of the MGA.
Rob
Source Autosport and ACE Bristol A Competition History John McLellan & Tony Bancroft
The trouble with historic racing today is that it does not accurately reflect racing in period. For example this picture shows Chris Summers Arden tuned MkII at Mallory Park in June 1962. Chris Summers was 1st at 78.21 mph and Rogers AC Bristol 2nd Morgan's TVR was 4th just behind the Turner but in front of the MGA.
Rob
Source Autosport and ACE Bristol A Competition History John McLellan & Tony Bancroft
Downie was another good MkII racer seen here in 777 KUR on the way to winning his class at Snetterton in March 1963 ahead of a Morgan Plus 4 and TR2. David Alexander in the ex Peter Bolton AC Bristol ( as above )was leading the class until his crash. Overall the race was won by a E Type Jaguar followed by 2 Elites.
Source Evening Standard / Tony Bancroft (owner of the AC 5 BPG).
Rob
tvrsloth said:
Which goes to make my previous point Hully.
If you are going to race, the point is to be competitive and to that end the mk3 is the better car to invest your time and money in.
If thats the argument then why bother with a TVR when you can have a Lola T70 Spyder???If you are going to race, the point is to be competitive and to that end the mk3 is the better car to invest your time and money in.
Historic Racing consists of Period specific cars and Classes…A Grantura MK1 is of a different period to that of a Grantura MK3… It will be competitive against other cars of the same period, hence a Granny MK1 will be a lovely car to race against A35's, Lotus Elites Bucklers, Turners, Other fifties and 60's specials and other cars in something like Julius Thurgoods gentleman drivers series…Comparing it to a MK3 Grantura is like Comparing a MK3 Grantura to a Tuscan Challenge car!!
You buy the car you want to race…Some drivers buy a car specifically to be competitive…If that is what floats your boat then really you need to be looking at a different kind of racing other than historics where the cups are generally trinkets and the prize money non existent!!
I have an Old V8…The thing I found out very quickly is that despite being quite good with the spanners I am still a lot slower than Elans, capris, scimitars and TR6's…….Regardless of what car you think you will be competitive in..There will be others out there with both more Talent and more money….In my case with my choice of car Much Much more money…
There is always someone out there to race.
If you want to throw lots of money at a MK3 then you will find very quickly that you will be anything other than competitive….Lotus Elans you see!!
N.
Edited by Dollyman1850 on Tuesday 29th September 17:32
Dollyman1850 said:
tvrsloth said:
Which goes to make my previous point Hully.
If you are going to race, the point is to be competitive and to that end the mk3 is the better car to invest your time and money in.
If thats the argument then why bother with a TVR when you can have a Lola T70 Spyder???If you are going to race, the point is to be competitive and to that end the mk3 is the better car to invest your time and money in.
Historic Racing consists of Period specific cars and Classes…A Grantura MK1 is of a different period to that of a Grantura MK3… It will be competitive against other cars of the same period, hence a Granny MK1 will be a lovely car to race against A35's, Lotus Elites Bucklers, Turners, Other fifties and 60's specials and other cars in something like Julius Thurgoods gentleman drivers series…Comparing it to a MK3 Grantura is like Comparing a MK3 Grantura to a Tuscan Challenge car!!
You buy the car you want to race…Some drivers buy a car specifically to be competitive…If that is what floats your boat then really you need to be looking at a different kind of racing other than historics where the cups are generally trinkets and the prize money non existent!!
I have an Old V8…The thing I found out very quickly is that despite being quite good with the spanners I am still a lot slower than Elans, capris, scimitars and TR6's…….Regardless of what car you think you will be competitive in..There will be others out there with both more Talent and more money….In my case with my choice of car Much Much more money…
There is always someone out there to race.
If you want to throw lots of money at a MK3 then you will find very quickly that you will be anything other than competitive….Lotus Elans you see!!
N.
Edited by Dollyman1850 on Tuesday 29th September 17:32
Where have I compared a mk3 grassy to a mk2?
Is this not a tvr forum, where have I compared a tvr to a lola, lotus or any other period car?
You are all right there are alot of better cars out there for racing than a grantura, but still that was not the point I made.
It was if you are buying a TVR to race then surely the mk3 is a better car to invest your time and money in than a mk2?
Dolly time to get of your horse and let it have a drink, then read what posted.
Remember people race to win, that's why you post pics of your victory not losses.
Can lend you some cups if you like☺
tvrsloth said:
Dollyman, me thinks you need to read what's posted before you mount the high horse you are on.
Where have I compared a mk3 grassy to a mk2?
Is this not a tvr forum, where have I compared a tvr to a lola, lotus or any other period car?
You are all right there are alot of better cars out there for racing than a grantura, but still that was not the point I made.
It was if you are buying a TVR to race then surely the mk3 is a better car to invest your time and money in than a mk2?
Dolly time to get of your horse and let it have a drink, then read what posted.
Remember people race to win, that's why you post pics of your victory not losses.
Can lend you some cups if you like?
Not sure what you mean about a High Horse.. Where have I compared a mk3 grassy to a mk2?
Is this not a tvr forum, where have I compared a tvr to a lola, lotus or any other period car?
You are all right there are alot of better cars out there for racing than a grantura, but still that was not the point I made.
It was if you are buying a TVR to race then surely the mk3 is a better car to invest your time and money in than a mk2?
Dolly time to get of your horse and let it have a drink, then read what posted.
Remember people race to win, that's why you post pics of your victory not losses.
Can lend you some cups if you like?
The point I was trying to make is that actually a Grantura MK1 or Mk2 Could be much more likely to be a competitive car in its class than a MK3 Grantura because of the other cars in the same period it will race against. Also on the basis of its engine size.
But as stated before You race the car you like, rather than the car to win. You obviously like a Grantura MK3
You will generally not win in a Grantura MK3 however certainly not on an outright basis
You generally find that the winners are all out on the circuit having fun rather than watching from the sidelines!
I have my own cups thanks
N.
Edited by Dollyman1850 on Wednesday 30th September 07:58
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