How are plates assigned....
Discussion
Lets talk hypothetically here for a moment, and it really is hypothetically, well, for the next year anyway 
Lets say i was to buy a Tiger Avon Locost, fit it with a New 1800Zetec lump, buy a New Gearbox, New Diff and Driveshafts, but fit Reconditioned Cortina Uprights (I been doing my research). When the Car is SVA'd would it get an 04 Reg (if it was SVA'd tomorrow) or an Age related reg based on the single component that is the Cortina parts.
Whats parts of a Kit build are taken to govern the plate?
Cheers
Stuart.
Lets say i was to buy a Tiger Avon Locost, fit it with a New 1800Zetec lump, buy a New Gearbox, New Diff and Driveshafts, but fit Reconditioned Cortina Uprights (I been doing my research). When the Car is SVA'd would it get an 04 Reg (if it was SVA'd tomorrow) or an Age related reg based on the single component that is the Cortina parts.
Whats parts of a Kit build are taken to govern the plate?
Cheers
Stuart.
Stuart,
All registrations now result in the current year appearing in the log book, irrespective as to the letters on the registration number plate.
The letters come in three categories:-
Q Plate – Given when you can’t prove the age of the components, for example if you don’t have a bill for the kit or if you don’t have a log book for the donor car.
Age (of donor) Related - If you can show that you’ve built the car from a new kit and have taken two major components from a donor, you’ll be given a plate from the same year as that donor (but not that actual number).
New – If you can show that every item used in the build was new, save one. They permit one fully reconditioned part (even the engine) provided it’s been reconditioned to ‘as new’ condition (which in practice isn’t well defined).
Den
All registrations now result in the current year appearing in the log book, irrespective as to the letters on the registration number plate.
The letters come in three categories:-
Q Plate – Given when you can’t prove the age of the components, for example if you don’t have a bill for the kit or if you don’t have a log book for the donor car.
Age (of donor) Related - If you can show that you’ve built the car from a new kit and have taken two major components from a donor, you’ll be given a plate from the same year as that donor (but not that actual number).
New – If you can show that every item used in the build was new, save one. They permit one fully reconditioned part (even the engine) provided it’s been reconditioned to ‘as new’ condition (which in practice isn’t well defined).
Den
Stuart,
Further bit of advice that didn’t come from me.
The upright assembly has fitted to it; bearings, hubs (spindles), brake discs and brake callipers.
Buy new brake discs and callipers and wheel bearings and keep the bills. When asked (and bear in mind that you won’t be asked questions that specific), simply say the uprights and spindles came with the kit. Otherwise you get an ignorant bureaucrat delving into matters he doesn’t understand with the possible result that he comes up with the wrong answer.
My point is to get you to concentrate on making the paperwork lead to a clear-cut verdict. You don’t want any questions arising from what you’ve written. If you follow that advice, I can assure you that nobody will seek to create awkward questions.
Den
Further bit of advice that didn’t come from me.
The upright assembly has fitted to it; bearings, hubs (spindles), brake discs and brake callipers.
Buy new brake discs and callipers and wheel bearings and keep the bills. When asked (and bear in mind that you won’t be asked questions that specific), simply say the uprights and spindles came with the kit. Otherwise you get an ignorant bureaucrat delving into matters he doesn’t understand with the possible result that he comes up with the wrong answer.
My point is to get you to concentrate on making the paperwork lead to a clear-cut verdict. You don’t want any questions arising from what you’ve written. If you follow that advice, I can assure you that nobody will seek to create awkward questions.
Den
I agree with den that beaurocrats at LVLO don't know what they're talking about half the time. See post on kit car forum called "aswering dens challenge" for the full tale of woe.
As for the registration following my extensive research when I acquired my care I concur with the honourable Mr Tanner It will get a new plate
As for the registration following my extensive research when I acquired my care I concur with the honourable Mr Tanner It will get a new plate
This is all very interesting as I've been thinking about how to get a new reg on my Libra when it's built.
How much detail will they look into on the receipts, etc. I ask as I will probably be buying a "donor parts pack" from a recommended breaker rather than buying a metro and stripping it myself.
In this situation, could I get the breaker to provide me with an invoice for "Libra mechanical parts pack" and not specifically state that they're donor parts, or would they see the price of, say, £800 and say that's no where near enough for new parts?
How much detail will they look into on the receipts, etc. I ask as I will probably be buying a "donor parts pack" from a recommended breaker rather than buying a metro and stripping it myself.
In this situation, could I get the breaker to provide me with an invoice for "Libra mechanical parts pack" and not specifically state that they're donor parts, or would they see the price of, say, £800 and say that's no where near enough for new parts?
LexSport said:Careful mate
This is all very interesting. . .
LexSport said:Close enough detail to realise that a bill from a reclaimer, reconditioner or the like isn’t ‘new’ gear
How much detail will they look into on the receipts, etc. . . .
.LexSport said:. . .Saddled with a Q plate, because if you get cought out passing the running gear off as new,
In this situation, could I get . . .
you can hardly suddenly ‘recall’ that it came from a donor whose V5 you just happen to have in your back pocket
. The result of them concluding that your bill doesn’t make the parts new, must mean that they’re of uncertain age. . . which is exactly what a ‘Q’ plate denotes
. 
Passing off a couple of uprights is an order of magnitude below what you’re contemplating. Sorry
. Den
The DVLA think that cars are only made up of the following components:
Chassis (or monocoque bodyshell)
Axles (front and rear)
Suspension (front and rear)
Steering
Engine
Transmission.
If you start saying things like "uprights" to them, you run the risk of confusing them and getting a "Q" plate!
Den is right when he says that the definitions are (VERY) loosely interpreted but if you're going to try for an age-related plate, you will need to use TWO components off that list FROM A SINGLE DONOR VEHICLE. If you use the uprights, the most you could claim is "axles". so you still need another one or you will get a "Q".
The alternative would be to prove that everything you had used in the build was new (with receipts) EXECPT (as Den says) ONE major component which must have been reconditioned to an "As-new" standard. In this case, you could claim the "axles" as your one reconditioned component but you will need some sort of receipt saying "reconditioned axles" on it from somewhere.
Chassis (or monocoque bodyshell)
Axles (front and rear)
Suspension (front and rear)
Steering
Engine
Transmission.
If you start saying things like "uprights" to them, you run the risk of confusing them and getting a "Q" plate!
Den is right when he says that the definitions are (VERY) loosely interpreted but if you're going to try for an age-related plate, you will need to use TWO components off that list FROM A SINGLE DONOR VEHICLE. If you use the uprights, the most you could claim is "axles". so you still need another one or you will get a "Q".
The alternative would be to prove that everything you had used in the build was new (with receipts) EXECPT (as Den says) ONE major component which must have been reconditioned to an "As-new" standard. In this case, you could claim the "axles" as your one reconditioned component but you will need some sort of receipt saying "reconditioned axles" on it from somewhere.
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