Brightwheel registered as Ford Consul
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Was it in the past, before SVA, legal or possible to have a Brightwheel Cobra registered as Ford Consul 3.0 of 1973 in England?
I have a discussion about this overhere in Belgium.
Willy
P.S. Den, I found the forum!
BTW, I see only 16 icons which I can use, while you use hundred different ones.
I have a discussion about this overhere in Belgium.
Willy
P.S. Den, I found the forum!
BTW, I see only 16 icons which I can use, while you use hundred different ones.
Yes!
Years ago, the DVLA (goverment's) computer would only recognise a certain number of manufacturers so long ago, nobody had the option of changing the manufacturer - only the "model" could be changed. It was quite common to see a kit car whose "make" would be (say) "Ford" and whose "model" woulld be "2 seater sports" or "2-axle rigid body" or something similar. These days, the opposite is true. You must NOT register a kit as the donor car's make (unless it uses the donor car's complete, unmodified chassis or monocoque body). When SVA was introduced, the DVLA had a period of time (a few years) in which owners of kit cars could send their registration documents back, free, to have them amended. Also, before SVA was introduced, people often didn't tell the DVLA that they had turned the car into a kit! I suspect this is what happened to the Ford Consul you mention. The period where the DVLA would amend the registration documents is now over, unfortunately, so if they catch the car and have no record of being informed that it was turned into a kit, they could give it a "Q" plate AND make it do an SVA test. There is concern that this could render some older kits worthless. In the next year or so, they intend to computerise all the MOT stations. The fear is that when this happens, all incorrectly registered vehicles will be caught when they turn up for their MOT test.
Years ago, the DVLA (goverment's) computer would only recognise a certain number of manufacturers so long ago, nobody had the option of changing the manufacturer - only the "model" could be changed. It was quite common to see a kit car whose "make" would be (say) "Ford" and whose "model" woulld be "2 seater sports" or "2-axle rigid body" or something similar. These days, the opposite is true. You must NOT register a kit as the donor car's make (unless it uses the donor car's complete, unmodified chassis or monocoque body). When SVA was introduced, the DVLA had a period of time (a few years) in which owners of kit cars could send their registration documents back, free, to have them amended. Also, before SVA was introduced, people often didn't tell the DVLA that they had turned the car into a kit! I suspect this is what happened to the Ford Consul you mention. The period where the DVLA would amend the registration documents is now over, unfortunately, so if they catch the car and have no record of being informed that it was turned into a kit, they could give it a "Q" plate AND make it do an SVA test. There is concern that this could render some older kits worthless. In the next year or so, they intend to computerise all the MOT stations. The fear is that when this happens, all incorrectly registered vehicles will be caught when they turn up for their MOT test.
Avocet said:
Yes!
Years ago, the DVLA (goverment's) computer would only recognise a certain number of manufacturers so long ago, nobody had the option of changing the manufacturer - only the "model" could be changed. It was quite common to see a kit car whose "make" would be (say) "Ford" and whose "model" woulld be "2 seater sports" or "2-axle rigid body" or something similar. These days, the opposite is true. You must NOT register a kit as the donor car's make (unless it uses the donor car's complete, unmodified chassis or monocoque body). When SVA was introduced, the DVLA had a period of time (a few years) in which owners of kit cars could send their registration documents back, free, to have them amended. Also, before SVA was introduced, people often didn't tell the DVLA that they had turned the car into a kit! I suspect this is what happened to the Ford Consul you mention. The period where the DVLA would amend the registration documents is now over, unfortunately, so if they catch the car and have no record of being informed that it was turned into a kit, they could give it a "Q" plate AND make it do an SVA test. There is concern that this could render some older kits worthless. In the next year or so, they intend to computerise all the MOT stations. The fear is that when this happens, all incorrectly registered vehicles will be caught when they turn up for their MOT test.
I think it may also be possible that the vehicle could have been registered before kits were 'Q' plated? IIRC, my brother was given one of the first Q's on in his J*go Je*p around 1980/81 - Brightwheel were in existance by then.
by ted kitcarman said:
Hi Willy,
Good to hear from you
Den
PS Don’t mention BMW or Cobra and certainly not both in the same sentence.
That's a bit harsh Den.
We all know that Willy is developing a BMW powered Cobra.
I'll let you warn him of the other things he can't post.
BTW Willy, welcome to PH. Have you any news on your development?
kitcarman said:
Hi Willy,
Good to hear from you
Den
PS Don’t mention BMW or Cobra and certainly not both in the same sentence
You ask a lot of me Den, Cobra seems to be a very popular word in this forum, so please don't
me if I drop the word by chance. No hot news to tell on our project at this moment Ex-biker, but it's developing in the right direction
. Willy
My Fury was registerd as a Ford Sylva Fury. Had no problems with it at all even the Post Office lady asked what a Ford Sylva Fury was but still taxed it.
I asked the DVLA who were present at Exeter show a few years back and they told me to amend the V5 in red and send it to them for a change of records. I didn't. But last august I did, I went to my local vehicle licensing office told them the story, gave them my V5 and 3 weeks later a new log book came back as a Sylva Fury. No questions asked, no SVA, etc.
Could be just lucky I guess, but I'm glad I did it as I think I might have had problems in the future with taxing it and even selling it if and when the time comes.
Stannerz
I asked the DVLA who were present at Exeter show a few years back and they told me to amend the V5 in red and send it to them for a change of records. I didn't. But last august I did, I went to my local vehicle licensing office told them the story, gave them my V5 and 3 weeks later a new log book came back as a Sylva Fury. No questions asked, no SVA, etc.
Could be just lucky I guess, but I'm glad I did it as I think I might have had problems in the future with taxing it and even selling it if and when the time comes.
Stannerz
There’s a big difference between a Ford Sylva Fury being corrected to Sylva Fury. 
As I understand, it was quit legal in the old days having a Cobra being registered as its donor's manufacturer. But owners had to rectify it when SVA was introduced. Humour aside, Willy.
There were a lot of kit cars running about on the roads with the log book (V5 in official
speak – papers in Belgian) of its donor. It wasn’t legal – but it was done by many. I don’t know why, because it was soooo easy to do the job right (in the days before SVA – 1st July 1998). All was needed at that time was an MOT test (of the type that all cars over 3 years old have to go through).
Guess this isn’t going to help you though!
Den
There were a lot of kit cars running about on the roads with the log book (V5 in official
speak – papers in Belgian) of its donor. It wasn’t legal – but it was done by many. I don’t know why, because it was soooo easy to do the job right (in the days before SVA – 1st July 1998). All was needed at that time was an MOT test (of the type that all cars over 3 years old have to go through). Guess this isn’t going to help you though!
Den
Thanks everyone for the information.
I was pretty sure it wasn’t legal Den, but a little
and was looking for confirmation by experts as you .
We have 72 MOT stations in Belgium and one of them managed to let pass a Dax Tojeiro from 1991 with a logbook of a Wolseley 4/44 from 1953! Would you believe it! In 15 minutes the man got his stamped application form for registration.
Another MOT station sees no problem with giving approval to a Sheldonhurst showing a logbook of a Ford Consul.
They arrogantly claim they are the experts, not me, when I question them about it.
One can ask himself why bother SVA tests, everyone can find an old logbook of no particular manufacturer and stick its VIN on his car.
Willy
I was pretty sure it wasn’t legal Den, but a little
and was looking for confirmation by experts as you . We have 72 MOT stations in Belgium and one of them managed to let pass a Dax Tojeiro from 1991 with a logbook of a Wolseley 4/44 from 1953! Would you believe it! In 15 minutes the man got his stamped application form for registration.
Another MOT station sees no problem with giving approval to a Sheldonhurst showing a logbook of a Ford Consul.
They arrogantly claim they are the experts, not me, when I question them about it.
One can ask himself why bother SVA tests, everyone can find an old logbook of no particular manufacturer and stick its VIN on his car
. Willy
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