Python brochure
Discussion
The other day, Den challenged me and Ex Biker to phone RV Dynamics for a Python brochure which he suggested didn’t even exist. Mine arrived today as promised by the bloke I spoke to.
I don’t know if it was PF, but he explained that the factory was in Sri Lanka and that the first chassis have just been made. He also told me I was through to the WK office which acts a point of contact for RV in the UK.
He told me that his role was primarily with the magazine and that I should research the Cobra replica market fully before making my final decision of which kit to buy – whether that’s a Python or one of the others (which suggests to me a lack of bias and also confidence in the product).
I was very impressed by what I was told and that the information arrived in the post when they said it would. It’s a very different experience to the one I was expecting from the impression Den gives about the WK office.
I don’t know if it was PF, but he explained that the factory was in Sri Lanka and that the first chassis have just been made. He also told me I was through to the WK office which acts a point of contact for RV in the UK.
He told me that his role was primarily with the magazine and that I should research the Cobra replica market fully before making my final decision of which kit to buy – whether that’s a Python or one of the others (which suggests to me a lack of bias and also confidence in the product).
I was very impressed by what I was told and that the information arrived in the post when they said it would. It’s a very different experience to the one I was expecting from the impression Den gives about the WK office.
I guess mine will be waiting at home then.
I agree with what you say regarding how polite and informative the person that took the details was.
It does concern me when they say about having chassis' available, but no mention of bodies.
Will see what the brochure is like before I make any conclusions on the product or how it's promoted.
I agree with what you say regarding how polite and informative the person that took the details was.
It does concern me when they say about having chassis' available, but no mention of bodies.
Will see what the brochure is like before I make any conclusions on the product or how it's promoted.
I make no secret of the fact that I trust Den more than I do Filby but having thought the whole thing through it's clear there are differences, not least the number of other strings to WK's bow.
Of course it might be easier to answer if Mr Filby were to come forward :tumbleweed:
Maybe not then.
Of course it might be easier to answer if Mr Filby were to come forward :tumbleweed:
Maybe not then.
Flintstone said:
I make no secret of the fact that I trust Den more than I do Filby but having thought the whole thing through it's clear there are differences, not least the number of other strings to WK's bow.
Of course it might be easier to answer if Mr Filby were to come forward :tumbleweed:
Maybe not then.
Isn't that only because you haven't heard from PF personally? Am I the only one who thinks he has no obligation to join a forum based argument like this? Look what happened to Ted from Ultima when he had the 'audacity' to respond to something Den said.
BigRon said:
We'll never know, because we only ever hear Den's side of the argument. Was he ever under such close scrutiny when he simoultaneously ran Pilgrim and KCM?
BigRon,
Why do you think we never hear from Fib’s? 
There was a world of a difference in the situation when I ran Pilgrim. Firstly, the fact was never hidden. Secondly Pilgrim’s products were available for third party scrutiny, including Which Kit? who built one in 1996/7. Thirdly, the editors of Kit Car have been exactly that and have been genuine men of experience, integrity and impeccable repute (Peter Coxhead from 1995 to 1999, Martin Foster from 1999 to 2001 and Ian Hyne from 2001 to date) and reported fairly, honestly and at times overly cautiously to avoid accusations of impropriety. 
Conversely, Fib’s has written and edited articles in which his involvement is (dishonestly IMHO) referred to from a third party perspective, using pseudonyms such as “Mr Financier” and “the new owners”. Then there’s what’s actually said concerning handling and performance. Clearly, there’s something 
DRASTICALLY WRONG when cars that have never been driven are said to possess impeccable road manners. 
I’m exposing what’s going on. Frankly I’m astonished at the backlash it’s brought upon me. Having said this, the sales figures reveal that most understand the differences between the two magazines and their respective publishers. I’m happy
. Den
Don't really know about the Python situation, but do know a bit about RV Dynamics.
RV have been around for some years now as manufacturers of the Nemesis supercar, and the man behind it is Vince Wright.
Had a good chat with Vince at this year's Donington show, where he was with the Nemesis. The reason he's moved the operation to Sri Lanka is simple economics - it's just too bloody expensive making things in the UK.
Seems most potential Nemesis buyers wanted turnkey cars, which if built in UK end up costing around 30k -a price that puts people off. By building in Sri Lanka Vince reckons he'll be able to sell a turnkey Jag V12 powered Nemesis in the UK for around £20k. Big difference.
With Vince now living in Sri Lanka he needed someone to deal with enquiries over here, and Filby offered and just happened to be convenient. As far as I'm aware that's the sum of Filby's involvement with RV Dynamics.
Also seem to remember that there was some crap flying around when Den had interests in both kit car manufacture and publishing. But that was in the days before PH.
RV have been around for some years now as manufacturers of the Nemesis supercar, and the man behind it is Vince Wright.
Had a good chat with Vince at this year's Donington show, where he was with the Nemesis. The reason he's moved the operation to Sri Lanka is simple economics - it's just too bloody expensive making things in the UK.
Seems most potential Nemesis buyers wanted turnkey cars, which if built in UK end up costing around 30k -a price that puts people off. By building in Sri Lanka Vince reckons he'll be able to sell a turnkey Jag V12 powered Nemesis in the UK for around £20k. Big difference.
With Vince now living in Sri Lanka he needed someone to deal with enquiries over here, and Filby offered and just happened to be convenient. As far as I'm aware that's the sum of Filby's involvement with RV Dynamics.
Also seem to remember that there was some crap flying around when Den had interests in both kit car manufacture and publishing. But that was in the days before PH.
BigRon said:
Secondly Pilgrim’s products were available for third party scrutiny, including Which Kit? who built one in 1996/7.
Did you get free adverts? If so, did you complain so vocally as you do now when other manufacturers get that deal?
Actually, it's Den who gives the free adverts and the manufacturer who complains when they get them...
Wacky Racer said:
kitcarman said:
Secondly Pilgrim’s products were available for third party scrutiny, including Which Kit? who built one in 1996/7.
Did you get free adverts? If so, did you complain so vocally as you do now when other manufacturers get that deal?
Actually, it's Den who gives the free adverts and the manufacturer who complains when they get them...
I was referring to Den's suggestion that Ultima hadn't paid for any ads in WK in return for the Ultima build story (which turned out not to be true anyway)
grahambell said:
Don't really know about the Python situation, but do know a bit about RV Dynamics.
RV have been around for some years now as manufacturers of the Nemesis supercar, and the man behind it is Vince Wright.
With Vince now living in Sri Lanka he needed someone to deal with enquiries over here, and Filby offered and just happened to be convenient. As far as I'm aware that's the sum of Filby's involvement with RV Dynamics.
If that’s the case, then Fib’s is involved (which is all I’ve said in
print). But does such involvement (which hasn’t been admitted publicly) excuse his pushing the Python with misleading advice. For example, the November issue of Which Kit? contained a letter from a tall guy. He was advised to wait for Python because it has a 2” longer wheelbase. The reply ‘forgets’ to mention that the Sumo’s wheelbase is 91½” which is 2” longer than all others. Not a huge issue, but to me it shows that either Fib’s is biased or is technically not qualified to offer such advice.
grahambell said:
Also seem to remember that there was some crap flying around when Den had interests in both kit car manufacture and publishing. But that was in the days before PH.
There was indeed “some crap flying around”. Let me give you a taste of it.
WhichKit said:Turn the names around and there’s a large element of truth in there.
I WONDER HOW MANY READERS…REALISE JUST WHAT A high percentage (66%) of what they read is now under the control of one man?
I think Mr Tanner thinks that he is Rupert Murdoch. Joking aside, it is a serious business…..
I cannot see many sensible manufacturers believing that they will get totally unbiased write-ups on their products when they are in competition with the Tanner empire….
…..if they advertise…..what they are doing is……enabling Mr Tanner to further his aims to be Der Fuhrer of the Kitcar Reich….
It is a constant brainwashing misinformation process which unfortunately the gullible public will believe.
Den
>> Edited by kitcarman on Wednesday 26th November 17:05
ooohhh this is a hot topic isn't it?
With regards to
I too have heard a little with regards to the involvement of PF.
Let's look at this another way.
I don't discount that any of what Den is saying about the Python is untrue. Let's face it - it is untested, there is not a complete one one the road in the UK and we don't know if it will handle the BMW V8.
But avoiding the topic of PF's involvement, it would be nice for RV to prove Den wrong and for the Python to be a success.
With regards to
grahambell said:
Don't really know about the Python situation, but do know a bit about RV Dynamics.
. . . . . . . .
With Vince now living in Sri Lanka he needed someone to deal with enquiries over here, and Filby offered and just happened to be convenient. As far as I'm aware that's the sum of Filby's involvement with RV Dynamics.
Also seem to remember that there was some crap flying around when Den had interests in both kit car manufacture and publishing. But that was in the days before PH.
I too have heard a little with regards to the involvement of PF.
Let's look at this another way.
I don't discount that any of what Den is saying about the Python is untrue. Let's face it - it is untested, there is not a complete one one the road in the UK and we don't know if it will handle the BMW V8.
But avoiding the topic of PF's involvement, it would be nice for RV to prove Den wrong and for the Python to be a success.
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