What's it worth?
Discussion
junglist said:
1993 Westfield SE rolling chassis,fueltank with lines, brakes, suspension, steering all fitted, panelling done.
Doesn't include any bodywork. Currently has 1600 pinto and gearbox with prop inplace but needs a recon.
Any one give me a ball park figure
Cheers
Are you buying or selling?
I would say around 500-700 pounds if that, not worth anything if you can't get bodywork for it.
I have experience of this, I tried to sell a 1992 SE almost 95% completed, mint car, with leather seats. fitted Pinto twin webbers etc, all new parts, and kept being offered bugger all for it.(£2500 ish)
In the end, I had to grit my teeth and crack on and finish it, at a total build cost of £10,000.
Ran it for a year and sold it for £6500...
Moral of story, NEVER start a kit car build unless you are SURE you can finish it
This is a job for KCM.
Let’s work backwards.
A 1600cc Pinto 1993 vintage Westfield in GWO would be worth say £6,000.
This one can’t be checked and therefore is in the category of ‘sold as seen’ so if complete would be worth, say £5,000.
It needs a shed load of parts too. Body @ £1,000 and a pile of other bits (remember Nick saying he spent £300+ on fasteners alone). This one needs seats, lights, trim, loom and a detailed evaluation would show up an awful lot more. So I’d say one has to knock off at least another £2,500 for finishing parts. Possibly more if you include a set of alloy wheels and a hood (which you would expect to get with a second-hand Westfield).
In terms of labour, the rolling chassis represents about 15% of the total work, so there’s about £1,500 of labour at only £10 an hour yet to be done. So were down to £1,000.
Next knock off the cost of SVA and at £800 we reach the true value to a cold callous bloke who wants a car.
Now what it’s worth to you depends upon the £1,500 of labour. If you want to build a car for the pleasure and achievement then you might not wish to allow for it. That’s your decision. What I’m saying is that to somebody who wants to build himself a genuine Westfield, doesn’t mind a ‘new’ out-of-date model and is up for the challenge of building then he MIGHT run to £2,000.
Is that clear?
Den
junglist said:
1993 Westfield SE rolling chassis. . .
Doesn't include any bodywork.
Currently has 1600 pinto and gearbox. . .
Any one give me a ball park figure
Cheers
Let’s work backwards.
A 1600cc Pinto 1993 vintage Westfield in GWO would be worth say £6,000.
This one can’t be checked and therefore is in the category of ‘sold as seen’ so if complete would be worth, say £5,000.
It needs a shed load of parts too. Body @ £1,000 and a pile of other bits (remember Nick saying he spent £300+ on fasteners alone). This one needs seats, lights, trim, loom and a detailed evaluation would show up an awful lot more. So I’d say one has to knock off at least another £2,500 for finishing parts. Possibly more if you include a set of alloy wheels and a hood (which you would expect to get with a second-hand Westfield).
In terms of labour, the rolling chassis represents about 15% of the total work, so there’s about £1,500 of labour at only £10 an hour yet to be done. So were down to £1,000.
Next knock off the cost of SVA and at £800 we reach the true value to a cold callous bloke who wants a car.
Now what it’s worth to you depends upon the £1,500 of labour. If you want to build a car for the pleasure and achievement then you might not wish to allow for it. That’s your decision. What I’m saying is that to somebody who wants to build himself a genuine Westfield, doesn’t mind a ‘new’ out-of-date model and is up for the challenge of building then he MIGHT run to £2,000.
Is that clear?
Den
Flintstone said:
Bloody hell Junglist.
On that basis I hope you're buying, not selling.
You see, we are all mates here
and I’m advising Junglist what he should pay. I’ll be in big problems if a bloke posts asking what he should ask!!!!
Seriously though, a 10 year old part-build isn’t going to be worth much (unless all parts are with it), no matter what make or model.
There’s a moral to this tail. If you’re going to build a kit car – Do it!
Imagine we were talking a normal car. Bloke places an ad that reads as follows. “In 1993 I purchased a brand new Ford Sierra 1600cc for £16,000. Never been registered or driven. Offers invited in the region of £16,000”.
What would you pay for a brand new 1993 Sierra????? I bet it wouldn't be close to the price originally paid for it! On second thoughts I should have posted this in the jokes thread
Den.
Cheers for the replies, I would be buying, not selling, and it would be a car for sprinting and hillclimbing only (therefore no SVA). I would be taking out the pinto/gearbox, selling or scrapping it, and replacing it with a Yamaha R1 engine . I won't need lights, one seat, minimal dash/electrics, definately no weather gear needed, and find some cheapish wheels fitted with slicks. I'm not too bothered about getting a new body from westfield, and as for the building of it my mates have offered free assistance.
I've budgeted for upto 5k build costs.
Hope this helps in giving your ideas on the matter of me buying the rolling chassis?
Cheers,
Oli
. I won't need lights, one seat, minimal dash/electrics, definately no weather gear needed, and find some cheapish wheels fitted with slicks. I'm not too bothered about getting a new body from westfield, and as for the building of it my mates have offered free assistance. I've budgeted for upto 5k build costs.
Hope this helps in giving your ideas on the matter of me buying the rolling chassis?
Cheers,
Oli
Oli,
Serious suggestions.
1. Get a copy of Ron Champion’s book “Build a Sportscar for £250”
You could put a body on a Westfield chassis for peanuts.
2. Consider a used Dutton or Sylva Striker (or similar).
It’ll be all there and you’ll be blasting around a track in no time at all and you’ll be able to take a holiday with the change.
Den
Serious suggestions.
1. Get a copy of Ron Champion’s book “Build a Sportscar for £250”
You could put a body on a Westfield chassis for peanuts.
2. Consider a used Dutton or Sylva Striker (or similar).
It’ll be all there and you’ll be blasting around a track in no time at all and you’ll be able to take a holiday with the change.
Den
Den,
I take it you mean by point number 1 of your last post that locost bodywork could be made to fit a westfield se chassis?
I have considered a striker and doing the conversion to bike engine but this would result in being over my budget (if the striker was say about 3500 quid?), I want the experience of doing a kit car rather than just an engine conversion if you see what I mean?
Oli
I take it you mean by point number 1 of your last post that locost bodywork could be made to fit a westfield se chassis?
I have considered a striker and doing the conversion to bike engine but this would result in being over my budget (if the striker was say about 3500 quid?), I want the experience of doing a kit car rather than just an engine conversion if you see what I mean?
Oli
junglist said:
Den,
I take it you mean by point number 1 of your last post that locost bodywork could be made to fit a westfield se chassis?
I have considered a striker. . .
Oli
Yes, all is needed is flat ally to clad the sides
, 4 trailer mudguards and scuttle and nose mouldings. About £200 worth at most kit car shows. You’ll have to slit the scuttle and nose down the middle to adjust their width
, glue them back together with ‘strawberry jam’ fiberglass, then sand ‘em down ‘n paint ‘um up. I reckon that if you looked for a striker in a state of neglect (or a Dutton)
you’d find one for under a grand (probably with a defective engine) 
. Den
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