Westfield identification

[gavmoir]

Please could someone explain how to tell the difference between a '93 Westfield SE and a Widebody (if they're not the same!).

Cheers

[Graham.J]

You should fit into a widebody easier, will seem more 'roomy' if you can say that about a Westfield.

Or get a tape measure, IIRC the cockpit on a Widebody is about 3" bigger than that of it's narrow counterpart.

>> Edited by Graham.J on Wednesday 26th March 17:23

[accident]

if you kick it and it yelps its probably a dog and not a westfield.

[papacroft]

I thought the difference between the wide body and standard body is that the wide body is for the IRS as found on Sierra's. The standard bodies are only for the live axle variants.

[accident]

nope.
stangely the difference between the wide body and the standard body is........shout it out when you know it..................the width of the body.its easy when someone tells you.
you can have a narrow indy im not sure if you can get a wide live axle(theres no reason why not)
and they dont use the sierra rear suspension(its to big and too heavy,just look at the shite robin hood make)they use sierra diff at worst or a freelander diff or one of those nice little quafe(spelling)units.
lets not mention the de-dion setup

[nevpugh308]

Waiting to stand corrected here, but isn't the rear track on a wide body the same as a SE ?

I.E. the body itself is "fatter" in the middle, but the rear axle (whether live or IRS) and frone axles are the same for both.

What this means is there's more butt and elbow room on a wide body, and the rear wheel arches are just smaller (if measured from outside of wheel arch to side of body), but from outside of rear wheel arch to outside of rear wheel arch they're the same.

If you see what I mean ..... ?

[Graham.J]

papacroft said: I thought the difference between the wide body and standard body is that the wide body is for the IRS as found on Sierra's. The standard bodies are only for the live axle variants.

An SEi is a Narrow SE with independant rear sus.

[juansolo]

stangely the difference between the wide body and the standard body is........shout it out when you know it..................the width of the body.its easy when someone tells you.

It's also longer by quite a bit.

you can have a narrow indy im not sure if you can get a wide live axle(theres no reason why not)
and they dont use the sierra rear suspension(its to big and too heavy,just look at the shite robin hood make)they use sierra diff at worst or a freelander diff or one of those nice little quafe(spelling)units.
lets not mention the de-dion setup

There are four basic body styles (with variations on some of them):

SE - Standard (narrow) body, Live Axle
SEi - Standard body, Independent Rear Suspension
SEW - Wide body, LA.
SEiW - Wide body, IRS.

The track width-wise of the LA cars is the same for both standard and wide. All the extra space is in the cockpit (with the engine bay benefitting from the extra width also) which is around 4 inches longer and around 2 inches a side wider. It makes a suprising amount of difference. The car has a slightly longer track length-wise.

LA cars tend to use an English axle. Early IRS cars used the diff casing from the English axle with the escort diff in there and a bespoke ali cover and drive shafts from Westfield. These were the lightest IRS solution and also still offer more options than the later adopted Sierra solution when it comes to CWP ratios. Later came the Sierra diff but utilising Westfields drive shafts once again so as not to affect the track of the car. Some BEC's these days use the Freelander diff that tends to offer more suitable CWP options for bike power.

Tunnel sizes as mentioned elswhere in the thread also have a bearing on the cockpit space, the MT75 tunnel being much bigger than the Type9. This can also be handy when fitting a Type9 equipped engine into an MT75 tunneled car as the engine can be fitted much further back to improve the balance of the car. A further advantage of this is that a gear extention is not required to put the gearstick where it should be.