whats the law over kit cars

whats the law over kit cars

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roospuppet

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46 posts

261 months

Thursday 19th December 2002
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hiya there, something that has always bugged me is, how do kit cars company's get around all the crash testing that big maufactureres like ford have to do, surely such small comapnies cant afford it, do the kit car companies need a special license to sell cars, plus, i could design my own kit car now, how would i go about selling the finished article after i have made it,what laws do i need to no about

ian

smeagol

1,947 posts

289 months

Thursday 19th December 2002
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They get taken through the SVA (Single Vehicle Approval) If manufacturing you have to prove that chassis/bodywork/running gear/seatbelts etc. matches required specifications.

When you build a kitcar you have to take it to be tested by the SVA, if the manufacturer has done it properly then you should only fail on minor points (eg sharp edge on a number plate holder etc.) which can easily be rectified.

If you're going to build a car from scratch then you need to get a hold of these regulations (can be purchsed from Vehicle Testing I believe) and ensure that it complies with everything in that document.

Hope that helps.

grahambell

2,718 posts

280 months

Thursday 19th December 2002
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It's known as SVA - Single Vehicle Approval.

Basically provides a way for small scale manufacturers such as FBS and kit car companies to produce cars without having to go through the full Euro crash test thing.

If you really want to know more you can buy the SVA Inspection Manual from The Vehicle Inspectorate, PO Box 12, Swansea, SA1 1BP. Costs £25.

You might also want to have a chat with STATUS, effectively the specialist car industry's trade body/consultancy. Think their No's 0161 247 6242.

juansolo

3,012 posts

283 months

Thursday 19th December 2002
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Got the SVA doc in PDF format.

I can mail it to you if you like.

mtmrop

53 posts

272 months

Thursday 19th December 2002
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Roospuppet,

This is not my major area of expertise, but here's some info:

SVA is the only way forward if you want to build your own car and make it legal. However, there is also an Enhanced SVA test (eSVA) available on a purely voluntary basis which does go more deeply into crash requirements (esp. side impact) amongst other areas.

It's basically a stepping stone for manufacturers between SVA and a fully homologated, type approved car

However, it's worth noting the diffences between a global OEM (e.g. Ford), a low volume car manufactuer (e.g. TVR) and a kit car manufacturer (e.g. Ultima).

When you sell more than (i think) 200 units of a model of car in any 2 year period, you cease to become a "low volume manufacturer" and have to get your cars fully type approved (this, needless to say, is horrendously expensive).
If you remain below 200 units, supplying "turnkey" cars, you need only meet Low Volume Type Approval" requirements. I.e. pass one car, and you will be allowed to produce 200 no questions asked......sort of!!

The main difference between kit cars and low volume cars at this point (as far as legality is concerned), is that with a kit car, you are responsible for it's SVA test, not the manufacturer.

Well, that's the jist of it!!

Hope it helps.

Alex

>> Edited by mtmrop on Thursday 19th December 22:31

smeagol

1,947 posts

289 months

Thursday 19th December 2002
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juansolo, I would very much appreciate a copy if you don't mind.

roospuppet

Original Poster:

46 posts

261 months

Friday 20th December 2002
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juansolo id very much a[reciate a copy of that pdf,


please roospuppet@hotmail.com

juansolo

3,012 posts

283 months

Friday 20th December 2002
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No worries, I'll mail it out when I get home.

Graham.J

5,420 posts

264 months

Friday 20th December 2002
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Can I have a copy too please John

grahamj_young@hotmail.com

Cheers

juansolo

3,012 posts

283 months

Friday 20th December 2002
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No probs.

juansolo

3,012 posts

283 months

Friday 20th December 2002
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Roospuppet and Graham - You have mail.
Smeagol - Need your e-mail address dude.

roospuppet

Original Poster:

46 posts

261 months

Saturday 21st December 2002
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cheers juansolo, that has helped quite a bit,

thankyou


ian

smeagol

1,947 posts

289 months

Saturday 21st December 2002
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Juansolo sorry forget the profile doesn't show email Doh! its p.meakin@ntlworld.com . Cheers much appreciated.

Graham.J

5,420 posts

264 months

Saturday 21st December 2002
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Cheers John,

Very interesting actually, some bits could be debated as 'silly' but still rules are rules.

Cheers again,

Graham

smeagol

1,947 posts

289 months

Saturday 21st December 2002
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many thanks, some nice bedtime reading

juansolo

3,012 posts

283 months

Saturday 21st December 2002
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Some quite daft stuff in there. Still rules are rules. Buld it of SVA, take it apart and build it again...

TigerK

4,344 posts

261 months

Monday 23rd December 2002
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juansolo said: Got the SVA doc in PDF format.

I can mail it to you if you like.


juansolo, I'd be grateful of a copy.

Kevin.spilman@btinternet.com

Many Thanks

Joost

50 posts

266 months

Monday 23rd December 2002
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Hello Juansolo,

Could you send me the file also?

Thanks,

Joost
JJMeijs@planet.nl

>> Edited by Joost on Monday 23 December 18:46

juansolo

3,012 posts

283 months

Wednesday 25th December 2002
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Sent.

Edited to say - It's all getting a tad serious on the Westie site ain't it. It's times like this that I certainly tend to question why I bother with clubs sometimes. Personally I've recommended the use of several companies and their products on that site with no backlash. I suppose it's because you're a new face over there, but then that's doubly damning of the initial response to your post from the club secretary which was a little heavy handed. Not the way to impress potential new members of the WSCC.

I should really have posted this over there but I can really do without the aggrovation and I think Harvey has summed it up nicely. I hope it doesn't put you off contributing again...

As for the seat, it's a complete Tillet rip. No doubt done by taking a mold directly from the orignal seat. Very naughty and I'm sure if they were a UK company that Tillet would be mighty pissed about it. As it is it's probably not worth the hassle them persuing it.

>> Edited by juansolo on Wednesday 25th December 21:56

Joost

50 posts

266 months

Thursday 26th December 2002
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juansolo said: Sent.

Edited to say - It's all getting a tad serious on the Westie site ain't it. It's times like this that I certainly tend to question why I bother with clubs sometimes. Personally I've recommended the use of several companies and their products on that site with no backlash. I suppose it's because you're a new face over there, but then that's doubly damning of the initial response to your post from the club secretary which was a little heavy handed. Not the way to impress potential new members of the WSCC.

I should really have posted this over there but I can really do without the aggrovation and I think Harvey has summed it up nicely. I hope it doesn't put you off contributing again...

As for the seat, it's a complete Tillet rip. No doubt done by taking a mold directly from the orignal seat. Very naughty and I'm sure if they were a UK company that Tillet would be mighty pissed about it. As it is it's probably not worth the hassle them persuing it.

>> Edited by juansolo on Wednesday 25th December 21:56


Thank for sending the file!

As for the rest, it does not put me off contributing!
I am used to that kind of club things!

The MOG-racing chair has some minor modifications. And the chairs are not made with a commercial background. JW does not want to sell a lot. Because his bussines is wooden houses and the chairs and other carbon parts are for freaks like us, if can afford them and don't want to pay the Tillet price.
As a matter of fact i know that it is very hard to sue a somebody for making a "copy" of a product like a chair.

Regards,

Joost