Has Re registration and IVA relaxed in recent times?
Discussion
I am noticing more and more kit cars/ rebuilt cars or those using an existing donor, but not its chassis getting a brand new registration number rather than a q plate or the year of manufacture of the donor being used.
Also less items being fitted than normally required.
Case in point, the Mk1 escort that retropower built for Gordon Murray based on an existing SA shell, that went through IVA and was registered as a brand new car.
Also the Tipo 184 test car from Dowsetts based on an MX5 that is listed as a 2021 manufacture date rather than the MX5 donors year of build, and is also based around a daylight MOT so has no lights or wheel covers, yet does not have an MOT as its less than 3 years old!
Do IVA rules allow the lesser spec of a daylight MOT now?
As we all know, things do tend to "fall off" etc after the IVA inspection, but these are both legit companies so doubt they employ dodgy tactics.
Also less items being fitted than normally required.
Case in point, the Mk1 escort that retropower built for Gordon Murray based on an existing SA shell, that went through IVA and was registered as a brand new car.
Also the Tipo 184 test car from Dowsetts based on an MX5 that is listed as a 2021 manufacture date rather than the MX5 donors year of build, and is also based around a daylight MOT so has no lights or wheel covers, yet does not have an MOT as its less than 3 years old!
Do IVA rules allow the lesser spec of a daylight MOT now?
As we all know, things do tend to "fall off" etc after the IVA inspection, but these are both legit companies so doubt they employ dodgy tactics.
Edited by PAUL.S. on Tuesday 2nd August 12:29
In short, no, the rules are the same as always.
The GM Escort complied with the requirements for a new registration (all new parts with no more than1 used refurbished to as-new)
The Typo 184 passed IVA with a full compliment of lights, wheel coverings etc etc etc. Wouldn't be surprised to see some news about the Typo 184 featuring in a test case about having to be re-inspected for IVA.
The GM Escort complied with the requirements for a new registration (all new parts with no more than1 used refurbished to as-new)
The Typo 184 passed IVA with a full compliment of lights, wheel coverings etc etc etc. Wouldn't be surprised to see some news about the Typo 184 featuring in a test case about having to be re-inspected for IVA.
Edited by Chris-S on Monday 8th August 21:17
Thanks for the reply.
I always thought the only thing that could not be refurbed was the chassis, so that is interesting and handy to know
However the 184 has many elements of a used MX5 in it but still has a new registration rather than an age related? and the builder claims in the Jonny Smith review that it has a daylight MOT, but having looked it up it has never been tested!
Not trying to cause problems for any builders, I am simply gathering data for my own build and find out what work arounds are being employed out there.
I always thought the only thing that could not be refurbed was the chassis, so that is interesting and handy to know
However the 184 has many elements of a used MX5 in it but still has a new registration rather than an age related? and the builder claims in the Jonny Smith review that it has a daylight MOT, but having looked it up it has never been tested!
Not trying to cause problems for any builders, I am simply gathering data for my own build and find out what work arounds are being employed out there.
Edited by PAUL.S. on Wednesday 10th August 09:58
I'm frequently berated for lack of rigour in my replies. I try not to be too preachy is my excuse. Full preachy reply follows.
As Equus says, IVA and registration are entirely different things, and follow their own rules. DVSA do IVA, DVLA do registration - just remember they ARE NOT the same and things start to make a fraction more sense.
You can get an age-related plate on a kit by passing IVA then providing evidence that your car has accrued enough 'points' from a SINGLE donor vehicle. See DVLA website for details!
A new current reg requires all new parts or a maximum of 1 used part, refurnished to as-new condition by a recognised business. Expect to provide lots of documentation in support of this.
A Q plate - anything goes. My latest build was 2 donor cars and a scratch built chassis. I'm perfectly happy with a Q plate on it.
I've heard of daylight MOTs but not ever had one, so no comments on that.
The Typo 184 won't have had an MOT as yet because it is regarded by DVLA as 'new'....but be aware, getting it recognised as such on the anniversary of it passing IVA requires following a specific manual procedure at a post office - doesn't work online. FWIW, I have never bothered with this dance as imo, having a car I built looked over by an MOT examiner is no bad thing. Even Retro Power have their cars checked over (Cal explicitly stated this in one of his videos and his stated reasons were the same as mine). I've always taken my builds for a PRE IVA MOT anyway, and that process effectively establishes it as needing one every year from day 1 anyway.
That said, I'd not want to stand and argue the odds with anyone if driving a Typo 184 that had been "converted" to daylight MOT post IVA, but was still effectively 'certified' as having the full compliment of lights etc. Not that I'd be doing it, but if I did, I'd get it MOT tested in the new configuration to at least try and get it formalised in that state. No idea if it would wash.
As far as the whole getting it IVAed with a full compliment of parts then lots falling off - I have my own opinion on that, which happens to match that of DVSA. Anyone else is free to do what they want and deal with any consequences that may arise. I ain't nobodies keeper but my own. That said, I happen to think that the Typo 184 as presented on Late Brake is utterly taking the piss. I actually think it looks better in full IVA spec myself. Nobody who knows is going to be fooled into thinking it's a genuine car, so why on earth make it not only less practical (can't drive even at dusk) but constantly drive about in fear of getting pulled. Makes no sense to me...but as I said, each to their own.
As Equus says, IVA and registration are entirely different things, and follow their own rules. DVSA do IVA, DVLA do registration - just remember they ARE NOT the same and things start to make a fraction more sense.
You can get an age-related plate on a kit by passing IVA then providing evidence that your car has accrued enough 'points' from a SINGLE donor vehicle. See DVLA website for details!
A new current reg requires all new parts or a maximum of 1 used part, refurnished to as-new condition by a recognised business. Expect to provide lots of documentation in support of this.
A Q plate - anything goes. My latest build was 2 donor cars and a scratch built chassis. I'm perfectly happy with a Q plate on it.
I've heard of daylight MOTs but not ever had one, so no comments on that.
The Typo 184 won't have had an MOT as yet because it is regarded by DVLA as 'new'....but be aware, getting it recognised as such on the anniversary of it passing IVA requires following a specific manual procedure at a post office - doesn't work online. FWIW, I have never bothered with this dance as imo, having a car I built looked over by an MOT examiner is no bad thing. Even Retro Power have their cars checked over (Cal explicitly stated this in one of his videos and his stated reasons were the same as mine). I've always taken my builds for a PRE IVA MOT anyway, and that process effectively establishes it as needing one every year from day 1 anyway.
That said, I'd not want to stand and argue the odds with anyone if driving a Typo 184 that had been "converted" to daylight MOT post IVA, but was still effectively 'certified' as having the full compliment of lights etc. Not that I'd be doing it, but if I did, I'd get it MOT tested in the new configuration to at least try and get it formalised in that state. No idea if it would wash.
As far as the whole getting it IVAed with a full compliment of parts then lots falling off - I have my own opinion on that, which happens to match that of DVSA. Anyone else is free to do what they want and deal with any consequences that may arise. I ain't nobodies keeper but my own. That said, I happen to think that the Typo 184 as presented on Late Brake is utterly taking the piss. I actually think it looks better in full IVA spec myself. Nobody who knows is going to be fooled into thinking it's a genuine car, so why on earth make it not only less practical (can't drive even at dusk) but constantly drive about in fear of getting pulled. Makes no sense to me...but as I said, each to their own.
Just watched this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8RqYrOkszA&ab...
Very open and honest, but it does make a mockery of the IVA process if true.
MOT tester on the "ask an MOT tester" thread confirmed no lights at all needed or mudguards, as they are not a requirement of a daylight MOT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8RqYrOkszA&ab...
Very open and honest, but it does make a mockery of the IVA process if true.
MOT tester on the "ask an MOT tester" thread confirmed no lights at all needed or mudguards, as they are not a requirement of a daylight MOT.
PAUL.S. said:
Very open and honest, but it does make a mockery of the IVA process if true.
The Westfield Eleven also blatantly took the piss in this regard.People will tell you - quite correctly - that it is perfectly legal to modify a car post-IVA.
The elephant in the room is that you are obliged to delare any modifications to your insurer. The s
t will hit the fan if there is ever a KSI that can be attributed directly to a post-IVA, undeclared modification and the insurer invalidates the insurance as a result. Fortunately, the chances of that happening are quite low: a difference in corner radius, for example, is unlikely to clearly and explicitly make the difference between someone living and dying in a pedestrian impact.TonyOxford said:
Love reading what others think my self hope the guy dos well with the kit. Love things that are different from the normal cars..
wonder if different body could be put on the frame of ones owne design after the iva or mot ?
Well yes, so long as you are not modifying the structural chassis. This is why there is a market already for ‘stick on’ body conversions for MX5s, Z3s etc as they don’t need IVA if the structural monocoque is unchanged.wonder if different body could be put on the frame of ones owne design after the iva or mot ?
PAUL.S. said:
However the 184 has many elements of a used MX5 in it but still has a new registration rather than an age related?
No it doesn’t. The Tipo is quite correctly registered on an “M” registration that reflects the age of its MX5 donor. The 2021 date of registration on the V5C for it is also correct for the date when this was first registered as a Tipo.Gassing Station | Kit Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff