Selling a Q plate kit car overseas
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A few months back I was selling a Lotus 7 rep kit car. I had initially one person from overseas who was interested in buying. I never heard from him, but I suppose that wasnt all bad as I later learned that, as a Q plate, I couldn't sell overseas due to regulations, etc. However, only recently (why I never released this) I remembered one of my dads previous kit cars he owned for a short period which he sold in late 2008. This was a JBA Falcon with a Q registration, and as far I can recall the car was sold overseas, I think either to Germany or Belgium. I presume it did go there as there's no record of it via the dvla after Nov 2008.
If a Q plate cannot be sold overseas, then how was it possible for a Q plate Falcon to be sold? Have things changed since then?.
If a Q plate cannot be sold overseas, then how was it possible for a Q plate Falcon to be sold? Have things changed since then?.
Edited by Jukebag on Monday 10th September 10:55
Hi,
I sold my Q plate Westfield SEI about four years ago to a bloke in Belgium. I think the issue is that "kit cars" aren't allowed on the roads over there. However, once they are over 25 years old they fall into "old timer" regulations and are allowed. Mine was a 1988 car so wasn't far off 25 years old when I sold it.
The above is as it was told to me by the buyer.
Nothing stops you from selling, its a case of if they can use it (legally) which is up to them. They may want it as a track car.
I used the permanently exported option on the V5 and all was good.
I wouldn't worry about it, if someone wants to buy, then sell (obvious caveat about the usual payment scams)
I sold my Q plate Westfield SEI about four years ago to a bloke in Belgium. I think the issue is that "kit cars" aren't allowed on the roads over there. However, once they are over 25 years old they fall into "old timer" regulations and are allowed. Mine was a 1988 car so wasn't far off 25 years old when I sold it.
The above is as it was told to me by the buyer.
Nothing stops you from selling, its a case of if they can use it (legally) which is up to them. They may want it as a track car.
I used the permanently exported option on the V5 and all was good.
I wouldn't worry about it, if someone wants to buy, then sell (obvious caveat about the usual payment scams)
A good many years ago, I sold a Q-plated Raffo Tipo 12 to Belgium (or was it Holland? I forget...). The purchaser told me that he wouldn't be able to register it over there, but was simply going to make arrangements to bring it back to the UK yearly to MOT it, and would keep it registered to a brassplate office address over here.
Not sure how legal this would have been for him, but he seemed happy with it.
Not sure how legal this would have been for him, but he seemed happy with it.
I live in France and have and brought my Q plated car with me. Here kit cars made from different cars (ie kit cars with a Q plate), do not qualify as old timers. So can't register them. It is possible to register a kit.. but. Only 2 inspection centre's in the country. And the local prefecture has to agree to you doing that. Next to no hope. The cost is likely to be 3 - 5K. All cars here are boring and expensive. For example, consider yourself lucky if you find an early MX5 for 5k. Also you cannot change anything on a car without a reinspection. So no alloy wheels. The good part is, they have no idea what mods you have made, as there is only 2 inspection centres.
Belgium, Germany and UK have it easy.
K
Belgium, Germany and UK have it easy.
K
Kevp said:
I live in France and have and brought my Q plated car with me. Here kit cars made from different cars (ie kit cars with a Q plate), do not qualify as old timers. So can't register them. It is possible to register a kit.. but. Only 2 inspection centre's in the country. And the local prefecture has to agree to you doing that. Next to no hope. The cost is likely to be 3 - 5K. All cars here are boring and expensive. For example, consider yourself lucky if you find an early MX5 for 5k. Also you cannot change anything on a car without a reinspection. So no alloy wheels. The good part is, they have no idea what mods you have made, as there is only 2 inspection centres.
Belgium, Germany and UK have it easy.
K
makes me wonder about people who build rally cars in France as they are well modifiedBelgium, Germany and UK have it easy.
K
most what is written here is wrong!!!
it doesnt matter if a car is q-plated or not....its just a matter of emmissions!!! and consecutively the reg.date.
rule of thumb: anything with a reg-date 1991 or older can be re-registered in most EU states without having a controlled catalytic converter.
thats why newer kitcars arent of interest for potential buyers outside UK, as most do not have a cat fitted or they would not pass the emmission test, as they do not have the original (e.g. ford) injection system /ecu fitted. if aftermarket parts are fitted its up to the car-owner to prove that the car in that state qualifies to pass EUro1, Euro2, Euro3 or even Euro4 level...with lots of other things involved like noise levels etc.
france is a bit more "special", most kitcars cannot be homologated until they become "old" enough to be declared as historic (30years?)
it doesnt matter if a car is q-plated or not....its just a matter of emmissions!!! and consecutively the reg.date.
rule of thumb: anything with a reg-date 1991 or older can be re-registered in most EU states without having a controlled catalytic converter.
thats why newer kitcars arent of interest for potential buyers outside UK, as most do not have a cat fitted or they would not pass the emmission test, as they do not have the original (e.g. ford) injection system /ecu fitted. if aftermarket parts are fitted its up to the car-owner to prove that the car in that state qualifies to pass EUro1, Euro2, Euro3 or even Euro4 level...with lots of other things involved like noise levels etc.
france is a bit more "special", most kitcars cannot be homologated until they become "old" enough to be declared as historic (30years?)
Edited by LLantrisant on Friday 14th September 11:56
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