Engine choice, what do you think?

Engine choice, what do you think?

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GIMPTON

Original Poster:

213 posts

277 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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The time has come for the ZZR1100 to be removed from the Pell Genesis now Aeon Blaze.

Have spoke to the very helpful guys at Aeon and they suggest/recommend the Ford Duratec 2.5 v6. Understand their choice but just a bit down on power for me and to get it tuned to produce 260/270bhp is not going to be cheap.

Got around £2000-£3500k to spend on the engine and must admit a bit of old school Cosworth turbo power is becoming tempting,as they are becoming cheaper with age but just concerned about the weight and increase in heat produced by turbo lump in a mid engined kit.

Any bright ideas

The Pell/Aeon weighs around 675kgs with the zzr1100 removed

Mobster Raks

1,870 posts

264 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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how's about an M engine? Not sure how it would marry up with what you have. Bang for buck would be good though, and i would have thought there are many about?

denisb

509 posts

262 months

Friday 8th April 2005
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I am having a Nissan V6 3.0 (Nissan QX/Maxima) built at the moment. They produce about 220BHP as standard and only need some throttle bodies, an ECU, exhaust manifold and some mild cams to produce quite a bit extra.

They weigh only a little more than the Vauxhall 2 litre 16 valve currently in the car.

I picked mine up for 500 quid (jap import cut out).

Mine is costing about 8 grand to build but it should make over 350BHP and a significant part of the cost is going on adapting it to a Hewland six speed transaxle I picked up ridculously cheap.

For info my car is mid engined as well.

V6GTO

11,579 posts

249 months

GIMPTON

Original Poster:

213 posts

277 months

Saturday 9th April 2005
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Want to get away from bike power, been fun but want proper cubes.

joospeed

4,473 posts

285 months

Saturday 9th April 2005
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contact Noble Motorsport about their 4 cyl duratec turbo .. easy 350+bhp

V6GTO

11,579 posts

249 months

Saturday 9th April 2005
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joospeed said:
contact Noble Motorsport about their 4 cyl duratec turbo .. easy 350+bhp




Actually, j, it's a V6 with 2 turbos but who's counting?
Got one in the back of my car so can reccommend



Martin.

>> Edited by V6GTO on Saturday 9th April 19:06

gtr-gaz

5,166 posts

253 months

Sunday 10th April 2005
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I must say Martin, I do like that colour

Boosted LS1

21,198 posts

267 months

Sunday 10th April 2005
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There's also the 24v cosworth v6, with turbo's it will be quick and torquey?

Boosted.

V6GTO

11,579 posts

249 months

Sunday 10th April 2005
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gtr-gaz said:
I must say Martin, I do like that colour



Not half as much as I do!

Martin.

kenmorton

271 posts

257 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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What about jag 3.0 v6 ?
Must be plenty of 3.0l S types wrote off in the breakers and as I understand it the blocks are similar to the ford duratec blocks but the internals/heads/manifolds have been to jag specs.

anonymous-user

61 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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If you want to find out more about the Jag motor, post in the engine section FAO MarquisRex as I believe he worked on its development.

GIMPTON

Original Poster:

213 posts

277 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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Jag v6 is based on the Duratec slighty bigger but 240bhp. Problem is getting it to over 300bhp, well the cost involved should i say.

Does anyone like the cosworth and more?? or is it the spikey power delivery that puts people off

Keep the ideas coming chaps

MR2Mike

20,143 posts

262 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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How about a nice Chevvy LS1?

Munter

31,328 posts

248 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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MR2Mike said:
How about a nice Chevvy LS1?


I'd have thought you'd have suggested the MK2 MR2 turbo engine based on your name. If the 4 pot Cossie engine is in the running then the MR2 turbo shirly should be as well. Easily get 300 bhp out of them...

GIMPTON

Original Poster:

213 posts

277 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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Ah now being an ex TVR owner i just love a V8 but not sure if one would fit, unless someone can give me some mesurements??

MR2 turbo is something i have considered in the past dont know too much about them but maybe worth consideration.



juansolo

3,012 posts

285 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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If you want to remain N/A then a Honda F20C (S2000 lump) would be my engine of choice. 240bhp out of a stock engine and a superb powerplant for a light car.

Otherwise an Audi 225bhp TT lump would be my F/I engine of choice.

Both nice light, compact, modern engines.

The Cossie can be a bit brutal by todays standards, though is capable of very silly power levels. IMO it's getting a bit long in the tooth now and this is from someone who runs one N/A in a kit.

>> Edited by juansolo on Monday 11th April 14:50

MR2Mike

20,143 posts

262 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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GIMPTON said:

MR2 turbo is something i have considered in the past dont know too much about them but maybe worth consideration.


I didn't actualy realise the Pell was mid engined! Toyota's 3SGTE lump obviously has some major benefits in that case, the first one being 225bhp or 245bhp in standard form depending on year. Reasonably cheap to get to 280-300bhp, and starts getting pricey beyond that (though silly powers are obtainable).

Stuff like the cooling system and gearchange is going to be a lot easier to adapt then a FWD engine and box.

BTW, the 3SGTE is actualy a Yamaha design, and still has bears the Yamaha name and logo on the timing cover.

busa_rush

6,930 posts

258 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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How about an Audi V6 2.7 twin turbo ? They'e not too expensive as they're not a common transplant yet. The engine will cope with in the region of 450-480 bhp. Will be smooth and pretty reliable too.

Boosted LS1

21,198 posts

267 months

Monday 11th April 2005
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GIMPTON said:
Ah now being an ex TVR owner i just love a V8 but not sure if one would fit, unless someone can give me some mesurements??



There are ls1 measurements on my site and I can make the engine shorter if need be.

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