New road tax bracket for a 1971 engined V8 GT40 replica
Discussion
OK so I have read the government document https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... and am still none the wiser,
My car has a 1971 engine block so IVA is visual check only no CO2 check, so what tax bracket will it fall into from the 1st of April. Some of the tax brackets in the table are quite frightening.
Nick
My car has a 1971 engine block so IVA is visual check only no CO2 check, so what tax bracket will it fall into from the 1st of April. Some of the tax brackets in the table are quite frightening.
Nick
"All vehicles (M1, M1SP and M1G) with zero
emissions will be exempt from the standard
rate of vehicle tax. All other vehicles will pay a standard rate of £140 a year
There's your answer, assuming it's not registered yet.
You then pay more if its list price is more than 40 grand. But since, as a kit, you get to say what the price is:
"For new M1, M1SP and M1G imported/Kit built
vehicles, the list price or notional price is provided
by the person/importer registering the vehicle. "
It won't be, will it?
emissions will be exempt from the standard
rate of vehicle tax. All other vehicles will pay a standard rate of £140 a year
There's your answer, assuming it's not registered yet.
You then pay more if its list price is more than 40 grand. But since, as a kit, you get to say what the price is:
"For new M1, M1SP and M1G imported/Kit built
vehicles, the list price or notional price is provided
by the person/importer registering the vehicle. "
It won't be, will it?
CrutyRammers said:
"All vehicles (M1, M1SP and M1G) with zero
emissions will be exempt from the standard
rate of vehicle tax. All other vehicles will pay a standard rate of £140 a year
There's your answer, assuming it's not registered yet.
You then pay more if its list price is more than 40 grand. But since, as a kit, you get to say what the price is:
"For new M1, M1SP and M1G imported/Kit built
vehicles, the list price or notional price is provided
by the person/importer registering the vehicle. "
It won't be, will it?
Thanks for the reply, that was one of the parts that confused me, Zero emissions seems to imply electric vehicles. My car is not zero in the true sense of the word.emissions will be exempt from the standard
rate of vehicle tax. All other vehicles will pay a standard rate of £140 a year
There's your answer, assuming it's not registered yet.
You then pay more if its list price is more than 40 grand. But since, as a kit, you get to say what the price is:
"For new M1, M1SP and M1G imported/Kit built
vehicles, the list price or notional price is provided
by the person/importer registering the vehicle. "
It won't be, will it?
As for the cost I can get my wife to tell them what I have told her it has cost
Regards
Nick
Edited by Nick Brough on Sunday 15th January 10:45
In that document vehicle emissions are CO2 g/km. This can only be listed/used if the vehicle is type approved as the emissions are measured during vehicle testing/proving.
Kitcars are not normally type approved so none of the emission classes apply.
The nearest I can see is listed against M1SP
'Multi stage build M1SP and M1G vehicles without
a CO2 emissions figure shown as part of the final
type approval will continue to be taxed as PLG.
Where there is a CO2 figure they will be taxed
under the new scheme.
From my reading of the document we will continue with PLG (Private Light Goods).
If PLG is the £140 figure they have been using then it is possible they could apply the >£40,000 additional £310 for 5 years.
Steve
Kitcars are not normally type approved so none of the emission classes apply.
The nearest I can see is listed against M1SP
'Multi stage build M1SP and M1G vehicles without
a CO2 emissions figure shown as part of the final
type approval will continue to be taxed as PLG.
Where there is a CO2 figure they will be taxed
under the new scheme.
From my reading of the document we will continue with PLG (Private Light Goods).
If PLG is the £140 figure they have been using then it is possible they could apply the >£40,000 additional £310 for 5 years.
Steve
Steve_D said:
In that document vehicle emissions are CO2 g/km. This can only be listed/used if the vehicle is type approved as the emissions are measured during vehicle testing/proving.
Kitcars are not normally type approved so none of the emission classes apply.
The nearest I can see is listed against M1SP
'Multi stage build M1SP and M1G vehicles without
a CO2 emissions figure shown as part of the final
type approval will continue to be taxed as PLG.
Where there is a CO2 figure they will be taxed
under the new scheme.
From my reading of the document we will continue with PLG (Private Light Goods).
If PLG is the £140 figure they have been using then it is possible they could apply the >£40,000 additional £310 for 5 years.
Steve
Thanks Steve,Kitcars are not normally type approved so none of the emission classes apply.
The nearest I can see is listed against M1SP
'Multi stage build M1SP and M1G vehicles without
a CO2 emissions figure shown as part of the final
type approval will continue to be taxed as PLG.
Where there is a CO2 figure they will be taxed
under the new scheme.
From my reading of the document we will continue with PLG (Private Light Goods).
If PLG is the £140 figure they have been using then it is possible they could apply the >£40,000 additional £310 for 5 years.
Steve
That makes sense, I have Kept a record of every penny spent, luckily bought most of the upstarted kit 3rd hand so that daved a fair bit. Getting towards £40k but it includes van hire, tools bought etc, and some bits I haven't used so if I factor out those it will be below £40k.
Guess it is going to depend on this, but I am feeling a bit happier now
• Notional price will be used where the list is price
is not known.
• A full definition of list price and notional price
will be issued.
Regards
Nick
Think you're mixing apples and oranges. Your car runs on petrol so does have some emissions. IF it was electric then you're right, no emissions = no VED/RFL, but you're not in that category you produce emission so have to pay RFL.
When I SVA'd my Royale Sabre it had a 1.8 CVH engine and the V5 said re emissions test just "no visible smoke" only and I paid RFL accordingly. Subsequently changed the engine to a 2 litre Zetec and the garage that does my MoT's recommended I get it reclassified but that wouldn't have helped me at all, so no reason to do it, but every MoT the tester wrote on the MoT cert, "in my opinion this car needs a cat". If I'd put in brand new highly polluting Chevy V8, it'd still have been classified "visible smoke" only so wouldn't have had to pay the higher VED
When I SVA'd my Royale Sabre it had a 1.8 CVH engine and the V5 said re emissions test just "no visible smoke" only and I paid RFL accordingly. Subsequently changed the engine to a 2 litre Zetec and the garage that does my MoT's recommended I get it reclassified but that wouldn't have helped me at all, so no reason to do it, but every MoT the tester wrote on the MoT cert, "in my opinion this car needs a cat". If I'd put in brand new highly polluting Chevy V8, it'd still have been classified "visible smoke" only so wouldn't have had to pay the higher VED
ColinM50 said:
Think you're mixing apples and oranges. Your car runs on petrol so does have some emissions. IF it was electric then you're right, no emissions = no VED/RFL, but you're not in that category you produce emission so have to pay RFL.
When I SVA'd my Royale Sabre it had a 1.8 CVH engine and the V5 said re emissions test just "no visible smoke" only and I paid RFL accordingly. Subsequently changed the engine to a 2 litre Zetec and the garage that does my MoT's recommended I get it reclassified but that wouldn't have helped me at all, so no reason to do it, but every MoT the tester wrote on the MoT cert, "in my opinion this car needs a cat". If I'd put in brand new highly polluting Chevy V8, it'd still have been classified "visible smoke" only so wouldn't have had to pay the higher VED
Hi,When I SVA'd my Royale Sabre it had a 1.8 CVH engine and the V5 said re emissions test just "no visible smoke" only and I paid RFL accordingly. Subsequently changed the engine to a 2 litre Zetec and the garage that does my MoT's recommended I get it reclassified but that wouldn't have helped me at all, so no reason to do it, but every MoT the tester wrote on the MoT cert, "in my opinion this car needs a cat". If I'd put in brand new highly polluting Chevy V8, it'd still have been classified "visible smoke" only so wouldn't have had to pay the higher VED
I fully understood I would have to pay road Tax but don't want to for example pay £2000 for the first year for a high CO2 engine.
Regards
Nick
Fastpedeller said:
I understand that if you have the emission data for the donor car engine than it is based on that - to be "no smoke" means undetermined age and therefore a Q reg.
Don't think this applies to me as it will be registered as a new car only one "old" item the block which is 1971 and has a dating certificate, all other parts new with receipts to prove.Reagrds
Nick
Nick Brough said:
Fastpedeller said:
I understand that if you have the emission data for the donor car engine than it is based on that - to be "no smoke" means undetermined age and therefore a Q reg.
Don't think this applies to me as it will be registered as a new car only one "old" item the block which is 1971 and has a dating certificate, all other parts new with receipts to prove.Reagrds
Nick
However, you can have one old part but you must be able to prove it has been refurbished to an 'As New' condition. So for your engine it is likely they will be looking for receipts for things like a rebore/pistons and a crank regrind etc. just changing the plugs and points will not cut it.
For IVA your proof of engine age will get you 'visual smoke' for emissions test and with luck this will also appear on page one of the V5 in section 3 notes which you can then show for subsequent MOT tests.
It's a bit hit and miss but you may also not need an MOT for 3 years.
Steve
Steve_D said:
Nick Brough said:
Fastpedeller said:
I understand that if you have the emission data for the donor car engine than it is based on that - to be "no smoke" means undetermined age and therefore a Q reg.
Don't think this applies to me as it will be registered as a new car only one "old" item the block which is 1971 and has a dating certificate, all other parts new with receipts to prove.Reagrds
Nick
However, you can have one old part but you must be able to prove it has been refurbished to an 'As New' condition. So for your engine it is likely they will be looking for receipts for things like a rebore/pistons and a crank regrind etc. just changing the plugs and points will not cut it.
For IVA your proof of engine age will get you 'visual smoke' for emissions test and with luck this will also appear on page one of the V5 in section 3 notes which you can then show for subsequent MOT tests.
It's a bit hit and miss but you may also not need an MOT for 3 years.
Steve
Should not be a problem have every receipt going.
Regards
Nick
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