CONCEPT SEVEN RENDERINGS

[fuoriserie]

I'm not that good with computers, but I've asked a PH mate to post 2 renderings of a seven replica concept.

It's one of two proposals that I have , and would like to have your comments on this one?

I considered a Caterham SV for the renderings, but in the real world it would be a Locost chassis.

Let me know what you all think

Cheers

Italo

[docevi1]

here are the renderings (albeit scaled down from huge to smaller)




Very nice imo!

Fur... may I suggest you delete your previous picture attempts to make the thread smaller?

>> Edited by docevi1 on Monday 20th September 15:21

[meeja]

docevi1 said:

Fur... may I suggest you delete your previous picture attempts to make the thread smaller?

Done.

[D-Angle]

Very nice, it certainly looks very Lotus-like with lots of cues from the Elise an 340R. I think the doors might make it feel very enclosed, it would certainly be safer but it might not 'feel' like a 7. Also, if based on an existing LSIS chassis, adding doors might make for a very narrow cabin. A version without doors might be nice.

I would like to see you try a couple of other ideas for headlight treatments as well, most of your concepts I've seen seem to have very similar lights.

[zetec_s6]

On the subject of headlights I think they'll be to far from the edge of the car for SVA, 400mm from the widest part of the car.

[peetbee]

I like it, the doors would be perfect for those who normally drive with the side screens on as it looks like it would be nice and snug! Agree about the lights though, SVA could be a problem.

[spartan_andy]

I like it but agree the lights could be different maybe a pod on the side like an aircraft cockpitso maintaining the more aerodynamic shape

But then what do i know about designing cars

>> Edited by spartan_andy on Tuesday 21st September 09:07

[simonrockman]

That looks fantastic. I'd want one. You'd need to manage airflow so that it doesn't come in through the front and out through the slats covering the screen and driver with gunk.

Simon

[fuoriserie]

I have to say that this is one of three possible alternatives .

I have a more basic and feasible design, with open doors, using any locost chassis.

The front lights would be higher to meet SVA, but still the projector type units.

Yes i do design similar light arrangements in my design, because they are perfectly suited for the specialist car industry.

The light pod enveloping the projector beam, would be a machined aluminium rod on a Lathe.
(it comes from my old days experiece working with lathes !!!)

Very simple and cost effective, and these lights would bespoke to the kit.

They would be simpler to make than explain, but I'm having a prototype of this light design being made.......

For production the rear rollbar would not be enclosed and the rear window would be different.

Thanks for the comments, but I would like more feedback, for the project....what else needs to be changed to make it production ready

Italo

[spartan_andy]

perhaps you could hinge the perspex so you would still get the snug feeling of beiing enclosed but not restrict access. Just a thought

I like the enclosed rear deck and roll bar arrangement its reminiscent of the k1 attack which I also like

[custardtart]

Thanks for putting the pics on view. Overall it looks a very exciting design.

I'm not sure what is happening at the front around the bottom of the nose cone, does it form a splitter type arrangement extending back under under the bottom wishbones or is it a standard 7 type nose?

Also does the Logo lie flat on top of a sloping nose or does it form a vertical air intake?

A side view may help me here.

Shame about the lights as they do look excellent but I reckon it must be possible to do something creative as Toniq appear to have done.

The enclosed exhaust pods are a neat idea, as is the detailing on the bonnet but for me the big plus is the full screen and doors.

If this is possible to manufacture and fit cheaply it gives the design a real edge as IMHO current seven windscreens are flat, ugly affairs that leak.

The rear aero bumps behind the seats is a good way of encorporating the roll bars neatly as well as making it look different to most caterfields, I dont think the extra bumps ontop of the main ones are needed though.

A small amount of storage space would be a good idea too.

For maximum appeal a roof would be a good idea, I know most people don't use them but it's nice to know you can!

Overal though I think it's a fresh take on the classic and moves things on without being too radical not be popular.

[JohnL]

Cool

What are the chances of it becoming commercially available? And when? And, of course, how much?

>> Edited by JohnL on Wednesday 22 September 10:26

[fuoriserie]

Production, don't know yet, it depends if someone is interested in investing on a new design................ maybe other Locost manufacturers could invest on this design (MK, LUEGO and others???)

Not sure the market is there, looking at recent history like the Tonik-r project, it could take a few years from prototype to production ready...............

The front nosecone has splitters, and on a side view it would be longer than the original.

I did design the roof, but it would be expensive to manufacture as is with this design.

I personally favour perspex windows on cost grounds and a Dax Kamala inspired roof arrangement. That is my second design concept..................

[busa_rush]

That looks very good, bit of an Atom in there, hint of 340r. Looks very good, much better than Toniq.

There are a lot of 7 owners who would be willing to spend a considerable amount of money on a new body kit. This was mentioned on the Dax list a couple of months or so ago and there must have been 5 or 6 people who immediately said they were interested, including myself. We were talking of about something in the region of £4k a shot, plus the extras that would be required like lights, exhaust etc.

I asked DJ Sportscars if they would develop a new body for the Rush and they said, without a doubt, no, too busy with what they have got.

If you can make it fit a round tube bike engined Rush then let me know !

[fuoriserie]

busa_rush

That would be 90% of the answers you would receive from kit manufacturers in this moment in time.

It's better to stick with what you have, than invest in a new body.

That is why I really hope TONIQ succeds, because then it would push the others to take notice and invest in other designs.

The Kit manufacturing climate seems to be in turmoil, and this is not a good period to invest in new projects.

Better to stick with the tried and tested, and wait for better times is the current thinking. I did contact a few kit companies but received your same answer....great design but limited funds, try later in 12 to 18 months..???!!!

But then who knows what might happen in 6 months time....

[spartan_andy]

shame about the manufacturers I think this would be a real shot in the arm for a design that is essentially more than 30 years old.

I love it and would be seriously interested if it came on the market.

My wife wouldnt be too chuffed though as it only has 2 seats. Oh well let her keep the Spartan I'll have one of these.

[D-Angle]

fuoriserie said:

I did contact a few kit companies but received your same answer....great design but limited funds, try later in 12 to 18 months..???!!!

When they may well be already making something very similar Look at it from their point of view: they have no reason to pay you for something they don't have to, and there are enough people out there desparate enough to do it for free in the hope they'll get some work out of it, which they won't. This is why doing designs and then sending them out speculatively isn't worth doing: they have already seen what they would pay to see with a professional, and they are never that keen to start with because they didn't ask for it. These along with those who would do it free 'for the honour of doing it'(FFS) damage the credibility of hiring a designer to do a proper job.

Write 10,000 times: "I will not do free pitches, I will not do free pitches..."

[Mr2Mike]

I really like the design, very modern but still easily recognisable as a 7 variant.

I can forsee a possible problem with the windscreen, the bottom of the screen looks like it would be well over the engine bay of a standard 7 chassis and the bonnet is therefore shorter. Perhaps a scuttle than can easily be detached complete with windscreen for more engine access?

[fuoriserie]

" I will do no free pitches,I will do no free pitches,I will do no free pitches,I will do no free pitches,I will do no free pitches,"

Most work you get here is from doing free pitches, but maybe its different in the UK......

D-ANGLE
I agree with your view in theory, but in reality things are never as clear as you've pointed out on your comment.

But you are right in saying that competition is fierce for design work, everyone is trying to get work in every niche market.

I tried in Italy to work as an independent, but after 3 yrs of struggling to pay bills, Italian burocracy and other, sidestepped my design career into advertising.....................

Not the same thing, but it pays the bills and it gives a living for the time being.

Design is on back burner, but have been working on a few things for the Italian Market.

The kit industry needs more designers , and designers should take into more consideration this niche industry.

Maybe more student designers and professionals, should take notice of the oppurtunity the specialist car industry is becoming, or will be in the future.

The media could help raise interest...........I'm going of topic..........

Italo

[cazzer]

Apropo of being bored

Still needs work but it looks good from a lot of angles