RE: Toniq now open for orders

RE: Toniq now open for orders

Wednesday 8th September 2004

Toniq now open for orders

Build your own Stuart Taylor chassis-based kit car


Toniq has revealed more details about its new car, available either as a kit or turnkey car, and has announced that it is now accepting orders. Toniq believes its show car will be running by the end of the September.

The brainchild of four Huddersfield University transport design students and first shownat the 2002 National Kit and Performance Car show at Donington, the first production car will now be finished in an original, pearlescent deep blue "to give the sophisticated yet macho look that we were aiming for". According to Toniaq, the blue is offset by the black aero-screen, black interior trim panels and 17-inch black alloys to give a stealth look to the car.

Black anodised aluminium details such as all the lights, the wings stays and the steering column helped complete the look of the car. The lights are exact replicas of the original concepts, albeit scaled up to house the three-inch lamp units that have Single Vehicle Approval-compliant working internals. The edges of the light now have a 5mm radius for the same reason.

The anodised aluminium rear lights are mounted on the rear arches; themselves mounted on anodised aluminium wing stays mounted to the chassis. The reflectors on the rear wings are taken from an Alfa Romeo 156 and have been bent to fit the curvature on the rear arches, as on the original concept.

The car is also fitted with a Stuart Talyor Motorsport developed paddle shift gear selector, which further minimises the centre section of the dashboard by removing the gear knob as well as increasing performance of the car. The Fireblade engine is compact, and allows the exhaust manifold to be run around the front of the engine, into the first silencer behind the radiator and then back through a second silencer, before exiting as a slash cut behind the front nearside wheel.

Prices announced for the kit at the show remain at £3995 plus VAT while turnkey cars start from £16,995. Delivery for the kits will be six to eight weeks, and the first factory built cars will be delivered in the spring.

The company recommends budgeting £10-12k for a reasonably specified Toniq-R to complete the kit, although prices vary depending on your choice of engine, wheels and trim. Toniq reckons its kit is comprehensive, including all the unique Toniq-R items so that "people don't try and save a few quid here by adding cheap lights, rollbar etc... ruining the overall design that we have spent so much time developing."

The price includes:

  • chassis
  • arms set IRS
  • 12 piece body
  • light set
  • roll bar
  • paddle shift kit
  • engine cradle
  • aluminium set (includes floor)
  • aluminium wing stays
  • seats and runners
  • shocks and springs set
  • pedal box and master cylinders
  • brake pipe set as well as copper aeroquip hoses

For more information, call Ian Gray, a partner of Toniq Ltd and MD of Stuart Taylor Motorsport (STM), on 01159 447 644 to discuss specifications. STM will sell the Toniq-R alongside its existing range of Phoenix and LocoBlade sportscars.

STM will handle sales, supplies and technical aftersales service, which includes a six-days-a-week phone line. The Toniq-R is based on a Stuart Taylor chassis, of which over 300 examples have been sold, and 5 consecutive racing championships have been won from 1998-2003.

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z_chromozone

Original Poster:

1,436 posts

256 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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It looks like a coffin with wheels

Guy Humpage

12,047 posts

291 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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I reckon it looks a lot nicer than many of the other cheap 'Sevens' available. Although there doesn't appear to be either headlights or mirrors fitted to the vehicle pictured....

vojx

271 posts

249 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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Dracula doesnt need lights

Mark Benson

7,808 posts

276 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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Who do they expect to buy these?

Prospective Seven owners paying upwards of £17 grand expect performance, not design (unless I'm misjudging the market here). What they're getting is a Locost disguised as a coffin with some shiny bits on.

It's not sufficiently different to be a Caterham/Westfield/everyone else alternative, and a prospective buyer could get hold of a Stuart Taylor chassied Locost for a quarter the price of one of these.

Am I missing something, or are they?

>> Edited by Mark Benson on Wednesday 8th September 16:12

docevi1

10,430 posts

255 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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Mark Benson said:
Who do they expect to buy these?
Builders not buyers, the £4k price tag is much more reasonable than the £17k built one

jgmadkit

548 posts

256 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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I like it personally.

They have come up with something fresh (even if it is 7 inspired) and the pedigree of Stuart Taylor should ensure it handles properly and goes like stink.

Just my 2p.

John

www.Madabout-kitcars.com

RazMan

394 posts

243 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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I quite like the design but feel that the Dracula look is too dull and needs contrast. Brighten it up with, say, a blue and silver colour scheme and it would look much better in my opinion

>> Edited by RazMan on Wednesday 8th September 21:35

MooSchmoo

176 posts

245 months

Wednesday 8th September 2004
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be interesting to see what it looks like with lights n gruff on.. think that would change the overall image quite nicely..

the fury

593 posts

249 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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I like it! It's kinda like a mid-way morph between a seven and a '32 Ford hot rod...

grahambell

2,718 posts

282 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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I think it's good to see someone trying to update the classic Seven concept rather than merely copying it.

The kit car industry could do with some more original design rather than yet more Cobra and Seven clones.

custardtart

1,736 posts

260 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Although I like the design and with Stuart Taylor behind it it has a good chance of success I get the impression it isn't quite ready, there's not much info on the web site.
Companies should remember that unfortunately they often only get one chance to make a first impression.
Agreed, it needs a brighter colour scheme, perhaps a dash of silver with a lighter blue or the usual orange and black.
It might look sleek without lights, indicators etc but the DEVIL is in the detail
Overall though another welcome addition.

Wacky Racer

39,003 posts

254 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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I have always thought this car was a joke, since I saw the first photo's a couple of years ago....

Sorry, but just my opinion.......

fuoriserie

4,560 posts

276 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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I think these guys deserve credit for trying to update a design icon like the seven.

It's really hard to come up with something original with the seven, history gets in the way.

I personally like some parts of the design(side view), but the originality of the project is there. Would I buy one? no, because I believe it to be a little overpriced for my budget .

A price range of 2500/3000 Pounds for the Kit would have been more like it, and 8000/9000 for a complete build.

I like the concept but the price needs to be closer to a LOCOST build with premium. If they can do that, they will find their niche in the kit market.

I believe that pricing a kit today is very difficult, but could make or break the product.

I wish them luck because we need more new products, especially in the seven market. Too many are just clones of each other, fresh design is good, just need more of it....................

Good luck to both parties involved in this venture, I will follow it closely.....................

Italo

custardtart

1,736 posts

260 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Wacky Racer said:
I have always thought this car was a joke, since I saw the first photo's a couple of years ago....

Sorry, but just my opinion.......

Why? - opinions are good but you should add some reasons.

Ex-Biker

1,315 posts

254 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Personnally I like it.

The yellow car they showed last year looked much more dymanic than the car on show at Donnington. I think this was more down to colour than anything else. The grey metallic gave it a more subdued look.

I guess the lighting didn't help there either.

There are some need styling ideas that I'm sure will find there way to more mainstrean '7'-a-likes. Things such as the torpedo style headlights and full GRP body.

The interior is a breath of fresh air compared to the standard '7'. The dash with stylish, sloping integrated centre console gives the car a nice modern, ergonomic look.

It will not be to everyone's taste. I do think younger people will be attracted to the style more due to the 'image' I think it portrays, but overall, an interesting car.



edited to add I must also agree with Italo. Cost will be the deciding factor on whether this car is a success or not. There are many 'locost' and similar cars out there and due to it's '7' take on styling this is certainly where it's competition will come from.

After all you can go out and buy a 'Stiker' (eg) add the headlights, play with the nosecone and dash and have a unique car. Ruin the nosecone and RobinHood will sell you a new one for about £50.

This may not be the same, but lots of people are willing to experiment with their locost build.

>> Edited by Ex-Biker on Thursday 9th September 13:23

Wacky Racer

39,003 posts

254 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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custardtart said:

Wacky Racer said:
I have always thought this car was a joke, since I saw the first photo's a couple of years ago....

Sorry, but just my opinion.......


Why? - opinions are good but you should add some reasons.




OK then....

This car was designed partly by University students, as a project, IIRC, imo a twelve year old could have done better, there is no shape to it whatsoever, just slab sides, and the ugliest front end seen on any kit car since the Banham bat........

I have owned a Westfield SEi in the past, and am the current owner of a Tiger Supersix, to me these cars have a bit of flair to them, although I do admit to being a bit stuck in my ways and a big fan of the classic Lotus/Caterham design.....

However, that is not to say I am against moving things forward, you can't live in the past forever,, it's just that I don't think the Toniq is the way to go....

still, I honestly wish it every success, and nobody would be more pleased than myself if it proves me wrong.....

fuoriserie

4,560 posts

276 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Wacky racer said:

it's just that I don't think the Toniq is the way to go....


It's just one way! but many other options can be found...........................

I've been working on one myself for the last year or so...................

If Toniq-r can make it, and I wish they do!!, then I hope mine will too.

Here's hoping!!!!!!

Cheers

Italo

fuoriserie

4,560 posts

276 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Wacky racer said:

it's just that I don't think the Toniq is the way to go....


It's just one way! but many other options can be found...........................

I've been working on one myself for the last year or so...................

If Toniq-r can make it, and I wish they do!!, then I hope mine will too.

Here's hoping!!!!!!

Cheers

Italo

D-Angle

4,468 posts

249 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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I like it, it's well proportioned and the fact it was styled by someone with at least some training does really show. I don't think it's a modern Seven as much as a front-engined rival to the Radical and the other track day cars that are available now.

In fact to me, it doesn't even look like a Seven-type car, it looks like more of an updated hot rod to me. Of course I think I could do better, but then I would, wouldn't I...

RazMan

394 posts

243 months

Thursday 9th September 2004
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Another variation on the similar lines is the Mirach

http://home.btconnect.com/ULTRAVIOLET/rjh/images/new-mirach-004.jpg


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