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richie_few

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642 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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I bought my first track day car 6 months ago, im 20 years old and the only car i could get insured on is a 2.1 tiger super 6. Its fairly nippy at 165bhp and 138bhp at the wheels but i want to make in quicker. can anyone help? its got twin 45 webbers, racing cam and stage 2 head.

Liszt

4,330 posts

277 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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twin 48 webbers, a nutty racing cam and stage 3 head?

You are prettu much at the top end of pinto [power without spending huge amounts of lolly or switching to a turbo.

You could consider an engine swap to a zetec or a toyata 4age engine, but that is going to hit your insurance.

Ex-Biker

1,315 posts

254 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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Faster?

Top end?

0-60?

Midrange acceleration?

richie_few

Original Poster:

642 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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it tops out at 135 mph. 0-60 is estimated at 5 secs is acording to a passengers watch. it pulls well apart from a small flat spot after gear change.

Ex-Biker

1,315 posts

254 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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richie_few said:
. . . . . . it pulls well apart from a small flat spot after gear change.



You'll need an auto box then . . .

richie_few

Original Poster:

642 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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v.good!! in all fairness though that was my next question. its a pinto lump with sierra running gear. can i fit a different gear box to speed up those gear changes??

Liszt

4,330 posts

277 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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The problem you have is now aerodynamics. You are going to need a lot more grunt with the same ratios to get you machine to go any faster.

It will probably be a common or garden type 9 Ford gearbox. There are a number of companies that can either sell you a rebuilt box with different ratios or the cogs to do it yourself.

Ex-Biker

1,315 posts

254 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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How about changing the diff (lower gearing).

At the expense of top end it should improve the acceleration.

How often do you need 130mph plus?

custardtart

1,736 posts

260 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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Some people are never satisfied

Sounds like you've got a cracking car but like others have said you will need to spend shit loads on engine tuning to gain anything extra there.

Changing the dif will be a cheaper way to shorten the gearing, you could also go for 13" wheels if you don't have them already.

Otherwise changing the gearbox ratios will certainly improve lower down performance but this can be costly.

If it's used for trackdays then learn how to drive with some proper instruction. In performance terms this will be the best investment you can make as the time gains will be huge.

richie_few

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642 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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I think i might have a look at a lower diff, im definatly interested in looking at some tuition on the track as i havent been driving for that long, about 3 1/2 years. whats the best way to arrange tuition on the track? can it be done in my car? sorry about all the questions but its all new to me.

KITT

5,342 posts

248 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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Let me get this straight, your car does 0 - 60 in 5 seconds and 135mph flat out and you say it's not fast enough

Your current limiting factors with a Six are:

- Aerodynamics. Se7ens are like moving bricks so get get any more top speed you need serious power or full bodywork

- Gearing. A company called BGH will do custom type-9 gearboxes with whatever ratios you want. Cost from about £600 upwards.

- Traction. Don't know what size/type of tyres you've got but these make a big difference to getting off the line and going round bends. Fit a set a Yoko tyres on and you'll probably knock nearly a second of 0-60 and have amazing corning ability

- Brakes! Often forgotton but a good set of brakes is worth more than bhp round a track

hope this helps

>> Edited by KITT on Thursday 26th August 13:04

richie_few

Original Poster:

642 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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Thanks kitt, i get the impression from you that im better off leaving it alone. i might have a play with the tyres though. the bloke i bought it from has got 17x7.5 wheels on it but he gave me the original 14 tiger racing wheels aswell, might put them back on?

peetbee

1,036 posts

262 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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If those tyres are a smaller diameter then it should lower the gearing a smidgen, so faster acceleration, but it sounds a really good spec to me.

custardtart

1,736 posts

260 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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Get the 14"'s on, it will make a huge difference, the advice on Yoko's is spot on too, try A032r's for excellent road legal grip and like a proper racer you can choose your compound try S(soft) or SS(supersoft).

Ultimate road legal tyres for 7's are Avon ACB10's with the E mark ie. not the formula ford ones. A bit harsh on the road and totally crap in the wet though

(it's easy to forget to put them on the right way round)

You can get instruction at most organised track days, they have proper instructors who will come out in your car providing it has a spare seat, seatbelt etc. Book this in advance though as they can get busy.


richie_few

Original Poster:

642 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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thanks matey ill do that. cheers

White_Van_Man

3,846 posts

256 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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richie,
I know its ab it off the topic but where do you get the car insured and for how much?

WVM

richie_few

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642 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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i use graham sykes insurance, they advertise in most kit car mags. they were the only people that would insure me. in was 600 third party and 1100 fully comp.

docevi1

10,430 posts

255 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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richie_few said:
i use graham sykes insurance, they advertise in most kit car mags. they were the only people that would insure me. in was 600 third party and 1100 fully comp.


How many no-claims, what you limiting it to mileage wise?

My Marlin (1800TC) is similar priced but no-where near the performance!

Liszt

4,330 posts

277 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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Don't forget to factor in the post code as well. Makes a difference.

richie_few

Original Poster:

642 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th August 2004
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ive got one years no claims i had none when i started with them cos of company cars. i limited the millage to 4,000. no body else got anywhere near to them