spartan going diesel
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I have a 1969 Spartan plus 2 Triumph based. It has a Ford 2L Pinto engine and a Ford type 9 gearbox and only does 20/22 mpg. I would like to try to fit a Ford 1.8 diesel endura-de. Will this engine fit to a type 9 gearbox? Do i need a bell housing, if so, which? Has any member done this???????
I have a 1969 Spartan plus 2 Triumph based. It has a Ford 2L Pinto engine and a Ford type 9 gearbox and only does 20/22 mpg. I would like to try to fit a Ford 1.8 diesel endura-de. Will this engine fit to a type 9 gearbox? Do i need a bell housing, if so, which? Has any member done this???????
Hi Wanted to fit diesel because i have got one, but any engine that will do 35mph plus to the gallon and easy to fit up to a ford type 9 5 speed gearbox. was told to put a zetec engine in but which 1.6 1.8 or 2.0L will fit to the gearbox. But what about the wiring loom ?any petrol engines that can be run with out a new loom. Plus exhaust needs to be on offside for my car setup.
The Ford 1.8 diesel only mates up to the top half othe type9 box top 6 bolts
any help and advice appreciated on petrol or diesel engines
The Ford 1.8 diesel only mates up to the top half othe type9 box top 6 bolts
any help and advice appreciated on petrol or diesel engines
My 1998 petrol 2l Mondeo Est (with a Zetec engine) averages 31+mpg with a heavy right foot of admittedly mostly A-road/motorway use. 40+ is doable if driving more sensibly and easily done on a 'run'.
That's a 1500kg car, stick it in something rather lighter and it'll be far better.
Go Petrol, diesels are for trucks and people that hate 'driving'.
That's a 1500kg car, stick it in something rather lighter and it'll be far better.
Go Petrol, diesels are for trucks and people that hate 'driving'.
The Endura DE is effectively the same Lynx engine used in the old 1.8D Sierra (but a different head design) so should mate up to a Type 9. You'll want the specific heavy duty diesel box however, as this has the ratios suitable for the old oil burner.
I'd echo the others responses however as it's not exactly a prime choice for a kit car. In fact it was one of the most agricultural diesel engines of the era (the PSA XUD engine and the Rover L series were leagues ahead). Do you actually do enough mileage in your Spartan that fuel economy is a problem?
I'd echo the others responses however as it's not exactly a prime choice for a kit car. In fact it was one of the most agricultural diesel engines of the era (the PSA XUD engine and the Rover L series were leagues ahead). Do you actually do enough mileage in your Spartan that fuel economy is a problem?
For one, there must be a hideous reason you are getting such poor mpg.You have a lighter than standard car, so I would be looking at reasoning behind this. Worn carb etc.
Personally I would never put a diesel engine in a kitcar of that kind for reasons of.
1/ you will stick of diesel with the roof down
2/ it will be like driving a tractor
3/ that diesel engine is pretty awful
Zetecs are great engines. You can pick up a rotten donor escort or mondeo for a song. Take the bits you need, sell the rest and scrap the shell and probably break even.
Anyone will go in, but you may need to change the sump for rwd orientation and a flywheel . Later engines ( black top rocker covers) would be better, just because they are newer, but still plenty of silvertops out there too. Dont fit the 1600 sigma. You may have to change bellhousings etc, so more expensive to do. Any engine is good, although 2ltr is always better with more cc's and better tractability. You will need an exhaust manifold as well, but plenty of places doing escort to zetec conversions that have the parts to do this.
Personally I would never put a diesel engine in a kitcar of that kind for reasons of.
1/ you will stick of diesel with the roof down
2/ it will be like driving a tractor
3/ that diesel engine is pretty awful
Zetecs are great engines. You can pick up a rotten donor escort or mondeo for a song. Take the bits you need, sell the rest and scrap the shell and probably break even.
Anyone will go in, but you may need to change the sump for rwd orientation and a flywheel . Later engines ( black top rocker covers) would be better, just because they are newer, but still plenty of silvertops out there too. Dont fit the 1600 sigma. You may have to change bellhousings etc, so more expensive to do. Any engine is good, although 2ltr is always better with more cc's and better tractability. You will need an exhaust manifold as well, but plenty of places doing escort to zetec conversions that have the parts to do this.
trevortravis said:
Hi which zetec will fit.
The Spartan wieght is 850 kg my look for EFI injection from a pinto,
But still think diesel would be better to do the 200 miles round trip at weekend to caravan at coast need to get alot more then 20mpg
Surely you don't do that every weekend, would only be during the warmer months? Do you really want to listen to "dagadagadaga" for 200 miles, and be stunk out by diesel exhaust fumes?The Spartan wieght is 850 kg my look for EFI injection from a pinto,
But still think diesel would be better to do the 200 miles round trip at weekend to caravan at coast need to get alot more then 20mpg
That it diesel is out.
for sale Ford 1.8 diesel Endura de engine
If i went for the Zetec to type 9 box
1 which sump
2 which flywheel and clutch
3 what about the engine mounts is the zetec drilled for side mounting
4 which side will the exhaust be on my pinto is on the off side
5 wiring is it easy to fit
6 Any body on line who has done it Zetec to type 9 box
next job change the diff 3.9 wanted 3.5 or less from escort/capri,ect
may get better mpg
for sale Ford 1.8 diesel Endura de engine
If i went for the Zetec to type 9 box
1 which sump
2 which flywheel and clutch
3 what about the engine mounts is the zetec drilled for side mounting
4 which side will the exhaust be on my pinto is on the off side
5 wiring is it easy to fit
6 Any body on line who has done it Zetec to type 9 box
next job change the diff 3.9 wanted 3.5 or less from escort/capri,ect
may get better mpg
I had a westfield which went from CVH carbed to Zetec fuel injected. Had a different ecu and throttle bodies etc. Quite an expensive conversion. Have a look in Classic Ford magazine, plenty of aftermarket kits at a more favourable costings.
Clutch plate is the same and possibly pressure plate. Just change the flywheel, but not sure what the cheaper version is, as have a steel raceline one on mine.
Blocks are all drilled up for rwd application and you may need to slightly mod the mounting legs on the pinto block to reuse on the zetec.
Best way is to buy a running car to take all the ecu, injection and alternator , starter etc to reuse.
You should easily get 130 bhp from a standard engine with great economy too. Shouldnt be too hard a conversion and you have a decent pinto to sell to compensate the spend out.
Clutch plate is the same and possibly pressure plate. Just change the flywheel, but not sure what the cheaper version is, as have a steel raceline one on mine.
Blocks are all drilled up for rwd application and you may need to slightly mod the mounting legs on the pinto block to reuse on the zetec.
Best way is to buy a running car to take all the ecu, injection and alternator , starter etc to reuse.
You should easily get 130 bhp from a standard engine with great economy too. Shouldnt be too hard a conversion and you have a decent pinto to sell to compensate the spend out.
As I said previously the 2l in my 1998 Mondeo estate pumps out roughly 130bhp and will lug a 1500kg car around averaging ~31mpg with a heavy right foot. They're dirt cheap second hand and pretty reliable (mine is on 160k). Stick it in a light car and that average will go *way* up.
Only downside is the 2l prefers low down torque to revs, you can rev it to the redline but it just makes noise over 5k. The 1.8 is rather more of a rev monster if you like your engines to rev.
Only downside is the 2l prefers low down torque to revs, you can rev it to the redline but it just makes noise over 5k. The 1.8 is rather more of a rev monster if you like your engines to rev.
Hi diff nearley out will be out by tomorrow and find out where the whine is coming from,and see if i have to fit an other another, if so will try to get a 3.5 or upto 3.8.any body got one for sale.
then that will be an other job on Spartan done.
next job is to get a crash job or scraper with the zetec 2.Litre but that will be after christmas, and sell the 2.litre pinto engine to part fund the job:
(after all the advice from Pistonheads)
then that will be an other job on Spartan done.
next job is to get a crash job or scraper with the zetec 2.Litre but that will be after christmas, and sell the 2.litre pinto engine to part fund the job:
(after all the advice from Pistonheads)
If it's the ratio you're after, hold one half shaft 'drive' still, mark both others (input & output) with chalk or something similar (Tippex), rotate output one complete revolution & count how many times input revolves [or 10 times & count other & divide by 10]. If that's not what you're after - sorry I spoke!
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