Taycan - how did they make it so slow?
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I'm looking at the Taycan models on the Porsche website. The Taycan 4 CT has about 470 BHP and does 0-60 in an absolutely rapid....
5.1 seconds.
Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)
Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?
5.1 seconds.
Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)
Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?
I'd wager its actually just a conservative estimate, coupled with its place in the heirachy. The cynic says its detuned to allow for the 4S, Turbo and Turbo-S. Motors and electricals are probably very similar across the various 4wd models. If it was sub-4, no one would buy the Turbo etc.
My Polestar 2 manufactuer stats quoted 4.9s when I ordered (they have lowered it to 4.5s since), various reviews figure sub-4.5s, even 4.1s (US rolling start probably), and certainly feels sub-4 to me, at least in the magic 10-50mph useable zone. And for £975 I can take it from 408bhp to 476bhp via a simple download. Go figure.
https://www.polestar.com/uk/service-and-assistance...
I guess Porsche would want to attract a dealer visit and a certain amount of speed tax for the same thing.
My Polestar 2 manufactuer stats quoted 4.9s when I ordered (they have lowered it to 4.5s since), various reviews figure sub-4.5s, even 4.1s (US rolling start probably), and certainly feels sub-4 to me, at least in the magic 10-50mph useable zone. And for £975 I can take it from 408bhp to 476bhp via a simple download. Go figure.
https://www.polestar.com/uk/service-and-assistance...
I guess Porsche would want to attract a dealer visit and a certain amount of speed tax for the same thing.
Edited by dgswk on Thursday 25th November 11:19
sxmwht said:
I'm looking at the Taycan models on the Porsche website. The Taycan 4 CT has about 470 BHP and does 0-60 in an absolutely rapid....
5.1 seconds.
Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)
Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?
Drive one. They feel like spaceships (quick). The throttle response on the move makes a Golf R feel decidedly woolly.5.1 seconds.
Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)
Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?
dgswk said:
I'd wager its actually just a conservative estimate, coupled with its place in the heirachy. The cynic says its detuned to allow for the 4S, Turbo and Turbo-S. Motors and electricals are probably very similar across the various 4wd models. If it was sub-4, no one would buy the Turbo etc.
My Polestar 2 manufactuer stats quoted 4.9s when I ordered (they have lowered it to 4.5s since), various reviews figure sub-4.5s, even 4.1s (US rolling start probably), and certainly feels sub-4 to me, at least in the magic 10-50mph useable zone. And for £975 I can take it from 408bhp to 476bhp via a simple download. Go figure.
https://www.polestar.com/uk/service-and-assistance...
I guess Porsche would want to attract a dealer visit and a certain amount of speed tax for the same thing.
That's very cool. I didn't know Polestar offered that.My Polestar 2 manufactuer stats quoted 4.9s when I ordered (they have lowered it to 4.5s since), various reviews figure sub-4.5s, even 4.1s (US rolling start probably), and certainly feels sub-4 to me, at least in the magic 10-50mph useable zone. And for £975 I can take it from 408bhp to 476bhp via a simple download. Go figure.
https://www.polestar.com/uk/service-and-assistance...
I guess Porsche would want to attract a dealer visit and a certain amount of speed tax for the same thing.
Edited by dgswk on Thursday 25th November 11:19
sxmwht said:
I'm looking at the Taycan models on the Porsche website. The Taycan 4 CT has about 470 BHP and does 0-60 in an absolutely rapid....
5.1 seconds.
Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)
Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?
Define 'slow'.5.1 seconds.
Is it that heavy? The Golf R does it in 4 (source: carwow video)
Some of the other models look similarly "slow", but that one stood out the most. Is it a weight thing?
You've picked the base model, and are going by the official stats.
All Taycans are too fast for the road, the base one is the least bonkers. All of that power and torque is available instantly.
But if they're too slow for you, please be careful not to buy one by mistake.
CloudStuff said:
Define 'slow'.
You've picked the base model, and are going by the official stats.
All Taycans are too fast for the road, the base one is the least bonkers. All of that power and torque is available instantly.
But if they're too slow for you, please be careful not to buy one by mistake.
Wow, it appears I touched a nerve with a simple question. Hopefully you have a better day tomorrow pal You've picked the base model, and are going by the official stats.
All Taycans are too fast for the road, the base one is the least bonkers. All of that power and torque is available instantly.
But if they're too slow for you, please be careful not to buy one by mistake.
sxmwht said:
CloudStuff said:
Define 'slow'.
You've picked the base model, and are going by the official stats.
All Taycans are too fast for the road, the base one is the least bonkers. All of that power and torque is available instantly.
But if they're too slow for you, please be careful not to buy one by mistake.
Wow, it appears I touched a nerve with a simple question. Hopefully you have a better day tomorrow pal You've picked the base model, and are going by the official stats.
All Taycans are too fast for the road, the base one is the least bonkers. All of that power and torque is available instantly.
But if they're too slow for you, please be careful not to buy one by mistake.
0-60 means nothing in EV world.
Our Renault Zoe GT Line with a 135bhp and a 0-60 of 8 something feels properly quick between 10-40mph. My i3 prior to that with a 0-60 of 7 something felt faster than my I8 at points as despite the torque fill, the ICE needs to be wound up first.
I imagine the base Taycan is all you need on our roads.
Our Renault Zoe GT Line with a 135bhp and a 0-60 of 8 something feels properly quick between 10-40mph. My i3 prior to that with a 0-60 of 7 something felt faster than my I8 at points as despite the torque fill, the ICE needs to be wound up first.
I imagine the base Taycan is all you need on our roads.
nickpan said:
0-60 means nothing in EV world.
Our Renault Zoe GT Line with a 135bhp and a 0-60 of 8 something feels properly quick between 10-40mph. My i3 prior to that with a 0-60 of 7 something felt faster than my I8 at points as despite the torque fill, the ICE needs to be wound up first.
I imagine the base Taycan is all you need on our roads.
Mrs dgswk has the same Zoe, it’s properly nippy up to 40-50mph. Embarrasses plenty of stuff off the lights. It’s what led me to the Polestar to be honest. Our Renault Zoe GT Line with a 135bhp and a 0-60 of 8 something feels properly quick between 10-40mph. My i3 prior to that with a 0-60 of 7 something felt faster than my I8 at points as despite the torque fill, the ICE needs to be wound up first.
I imagine the base Taycan is all you need on our roads.
Up to 60-70mph I’m in no doubt that the Polestar would certainly have the upper hand over my old 992 C2S and that was definitely not a slow car.
70mph plus and it’s a different story, the Polestar wouldn’t see which way it went…. But where can you really do that in the UK?
Taycan Turbo S must be nuts.
troc said:
Porsche seriously understate the 0-60 times of their cars, especially the models lower in the range to distance them from the faster ones.
Also, as stated, the Taycan weighs all the tonnes.
I drove a base Taycan and the only thing that felt faster than my 991.1S was the throttle response. Felt very heavy, too low to the ground and uneventful. I just drove everywhere flat out because I could, but that very quickly got boring. Also, as stated, the Taycan weighs all the tonnes.
It’s a bit of a perspective situation. The RWD Taycan is your nice day to day drive, but misses out on the magic trick of EVs, which is the instantaneous ability to shuffle power between front and back. This is a double edged sword as it makes it ridiculously easy to drive quickly, but also reduces the rewards. The RWD is also significantly down on power with only 1 motor. Things get serious with the 4S and then the Turbos are amongst the quickest road cars you’ll ever come across. Even heading relatively slowly into corners, the ridiculous torque can be applied so early on exit. The advantages of EVs can actually be applied within the speed limits, which isn’t always the case for super cars. If you indulge in a traffic light Grand Prix with a Golf R in a 4S, well the golf will very quickly be a little dot in the rear view mirror. It’s basically cheating.
The Taycan is seriously heavy though. You feel it in your body on cornering. It took me around 3 months to reset my senses and realise that it will still go round that corner, despite the accelerometer in my stomach saying no. The bigger problem is actually those tight turns around mini roundabouts, where it’s not too difficult to find all four wheels sliding on some of those very polished concrete like surfaces that you find.
Is a 911 better? A 992 4S PDK - IMO this is a little dull. Something RWD Manual - yes, more involving. This is only my opinion of course.
The Taycan is seriously heavy though. You feel it in your body on cornering. It took me around 3 months to reset my senses and realise that it will still go round that corner, despite the accelerometer in my stomach saying no. The bigger problem is actually those tight turns around mini roundabouts, where it’s not too difficult to find all four wheels sliding on some of those very polished concrete like surfaces that you find.
Is a 911 better? A 992 4S PDK - IMO this is a little dull. Something RWD Manual - yes, more involving. This is only my opinion of course.
Are there actually any mechanical differences between the dual motor versions or is it the same OEM motors and batteries in all of them? I know you get more of the chassis tech as standard as you go up the range but I wouldn’t be surprised if a laptop could fix Porsche’s careful positioning of the models.
DMZ said:
Are there actually any mechanical differences between the dual motor versions or is it the same OEM motors and batteries in all of them? I know you get more of the chassis tech as standard as you go up the range but I wouldn’t be surprised if a laptop could fix Porsche’s careful positioning of the models.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the turbo and turbo s have different (i.e. more powerful) motors and inverters? What are you used to driving OP? Must be pretty rapid if the Taycan's are slow cars
DMZ said:
Right, I think I read something like it also now that I think about it. Turbo and Turbo S are very similar and a step above the others.
Got a CT 4s on order but also deposited on a GTS as likely to get this earlier (late spring 2021).The GTS has the advantage of having the same motors as the Turbo/s, but slightly de tuned power- but importantly same torque as the turbo.
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