Taycan 4S Cross Turismo
Discussion
f1eng said:
Lovely, the nicest colour combination I have seen on a Taycan so far.
I may well choose that interior, the non-black backs to the front seats will make the rear seats massively less claustrophobic - though I won't be sitting there!
It's far nicer in reality than the photographs. It comes across a bit creamy in photos.I may well choose that interior, the non-black backs to the front seats will make the rear seats massively less claustrophobic - though I won't be sitting there!
I will be getting the car ceramic coated this week including a coating for all the leather. I had this treatment on the porcelain leather in my Mercedes the week it was delivered new 6 years ago and it looks as good as new with no dye transfer from jeans.
Murph7355 said:
Lovely - enjoy it!
I just borrowed a black 4S CT with the same colour interior. Works really well (OCD nit pick time...the bit of leather below the main screen in the centre...I thought it was double stitched in the middle...but in the one I just drove it's an odd bit of plastic and didn't fit perfectly. Odd).
And to cap it all, it went up my drive without any scrapes
I know what you mean about the piece of material in the centre of the dash, my eye was also drawn straight to it in the test car we drove. Fortunately in my car it is at least straight and well fitted.I just borrowed a black 4S CT with the same colour interior. Works really well (OCD nit pick time...the bit of leather below the main screen in the centre...I thought it was double stitched in the middle...but in the one I just drove it's an odd bit of plastic and didn't fit perfectly. Odd).
And to cap it all, it went up my drive without any scrapes
Be aware the GTS will ride lower than the CT, possibly 20mm lower - probably best double check this - so drive clearance may be an issue in that.
I'd always liked the Panamera Sport Turismo GTS - I just couldn't stomach the depreciation on one of those, that problem has been solved with the tax situation on the CT buying through my business. Anyhow - I did wonder when placing the order if I should just wait for a regular Sport Turismo version of the Taycan which was bound to come out (and did), but decided to go with the CT, a car I would probably have never ordered if both types were available last year.
Well, I now realise for me living in Kent and on the roads in which I drive that the CT is actually the better car for my lifestyle. My business partner went with a saloon over the CT and he finds he's having to drive many of the roads around his home and the car parks which he needs to enter in lifted modes.
Part of me was nervous I'd see the Sport Turismo and wish I'd ordered one of those, I'm relieved that's not the case, it turns out a Taycan "allroad" is actually perfect for me.
I would simply have bought what came to market first, the CT or the Sport Turismo.
I've always liked the Panamera Sport Turismo GTS, I just couldn't stomach the deprecation and as I was running an Audi S6 Avant at the time it wasn't "worth" 3 times the Audi for what would have been a similar vehicle. Albeit a much nicer one.
Now I've picked my 4S CT up, I'm absolutely delighted with it. I genuinely don't think it would look as good or be as suitable for my personal use had It been the Sport Turismo. It's a bit of a relief actually, I wondered if I'd prefer the regular "estate" over the cross turismo.
Wheel design alone the CT wins. We all like different looks though, I've found mine and it's a CT.
When I collected it, after I'd had a good look round I realised it was the first car I've ever bought that I wouldn't change a single thing on, it is perfect for me. But It's my first Porsche and all of the other vehicle manufacturers I've bought from before simply didn't offer the freedom of choice and ability to select individual specifications to create exactly what I wanted. These days it's all packages and any interior you like as long as it's black.
I've always liked the Panamera Sport Turismo GTS, I just couldn't stomach the deprecation and as I was running an Audi S6 Avant at the time it wasn't "worth" 3 times the Audi for what would have been a similar vehicle. Albeit a much nicer one.
Now I've picked my 4S CT up, I'm absolutely delighted with it. I genuinely don't think it would look as good or be as suitable for my personal use had It been the Sport Turismo. It's a bit of a relief actually, I wondered if I'd prefer the regular "estate" over the cross turismo.
Wheel design alone the CT wins. We all like different looks though, I've found mine and it's a CT.
When I collected it, after I'd had a good look round I realised it was the first car I've ever bought that I wouldn't change a single thing on, it is perfect for me. But It's my first Porsche and all of the other vehicle manufacturers I've bought from before simply didn't offer the freedom of choice and ability to select individual specifications to create exactly what I wanted. These days it's all packages and any interior you like as long as it's black.
f1eng said:
I still prefer the CT to ST.
I did look into a GTS ST spec when matrix lights got dropped from the 4S options but I didn't like the wheels as much - so far the 21" CT wheels are the only wheel option on any Taycan I actually like - and I preferred the softer standard suspension and longer wheel travel of the CT for the crap roads rounds here. It has sport and individual settings anyway.
Funnily enough I also missed the compass option on the dash top display. I won't use it, of course, but prefer its look to the standard big second hand I also wouldn't use and it is straight in front of the driver so always in view.
The relatively large price increment didn't seem to be worth the relatively small power increment either.
In fact the only things I like less on the CT are the look of the plastic wheel arch protectors, though they may well be cheaper to fix if scraped, and the silver inserts round the edges, and the cost of painting them black or grey ain't too bad.
Suspension is outstanding for the size of the wheels. I drove over some very aggressive sleeping policemen in a private car park last night. With my other cars I have to slow to almost a standstill and creep over them. In the Taycan it absorbed them in a way I've never felt before. Even more so than the S6 I had which also had air suspension.I did look into a GTS ST spec when matrix lights got dropped from the 4S options but I didn't like the wheels as much - so far the 21" CT wheels are the only wheel option on any Taycan I actually like - and I preferred the softer standard suspension and longer wheel travel of the CT for the crap roads rounds here. It has sport and individual settings anyway.
Funnily enough I also missed the compass option on the dash top display. I won't use it, of course, but prefer its look to the standard big second hand I also wouldn't use and it is straight in front of the driver so always in view.
The relatively large price increment didn't seem to be worth the relatively small power increment either.
In fact the only things I like less on the CT are the look of the plastic wheel arch protectors, though they may well be cheaper to fix if scraped, and the silver inserts round the edges, and the cost of painting them black or grey ain't too bad.
Oh and also did the compass option. I'm now driving around knowing exactly how many ft above sea level I am. I'm not sure what to do with that information, but I know it
Cross Turismo review to date.
I've managed only 250 miles since collection two weeks ago. That's mainly due to weather but also last Wednesday I hit some debris in the road on an unlit country lane and destroyed a front wheel/tyre and damaged the rear wheel. So I'm now waiting for insurance to book me in to get replacements.
That aside I'm having the following issues.
The app won't communicate with the car to heat/preheat
The regen system works about half the time
The bluetooth works about half the time - it's 50/50 if my phone connects at all plus the Porsche systems aren't able to communicate.
The sports chrono compass/clock on the dash turns on when I shut the car down, turns off when I turn the car on to drive.
Unable to get Android Auto to connect/work.
It's not a great start to ownership. As it's currently damaged I can't even get it to Porsche to get the systems checked.
I've managed only 250 miles since collection two weeks ago. That's mainly due to weather but also last Wednesday I hit some debris in the road on an unlit country lane and destroyed a front wheel/tyre and damaged the rear wheel. So I'm now waiting for insurance to book me in to get replacements.
That aside I'm having the following issues.
The app won't communicate with the car to heat/preheat
The regen system works about half the time
The bluetooth works about half the time - it's 50/50 if my phone connects at all plus the Porsche systems aren't able to communicate.
The sports chrono compass/clock on the dash turns on when I shut the car down, turns off when I turn the car on to drive.
Unable to get Android Auto to connect/work.
It's not a great start to ownership. As it's currently damaged I can't even get it to Porsche to get the systems checked.
Edited by 21ATS on Saturday 19th February 10:00
Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
I thought regen didn’t operate for the first 500 miles or so while the actual brakes get properly bedded in? Only after that is regen in operation (and is apparently used for 90% of braking).
When I turn it on, it works about half the time, the other half I get a red warning on the dash saying it's inoperative (actually i think it says "not available") and it shuts off.I'd not read or been told about a 500 mile bedding in period, I was just shown how to use it by the dealer.
Murph7355 said:
Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
21ATS said:
Cross Turismo review to date.
I've managed only 250 miles since collection two weeks ago. That's mainly due to weather but also last Wednesday I hit some debris in the road on an unlit country lane and destroyed a front wheel/tyre and damaged the rear wheel. So I'm now waiting for insurance to book me in to get replacements.
That aside I'm having the following issues.
The app won't communicate with the car to heat/preheat
The regen system works about half the time
The bluetooth works about half the time - it's 50/50 if my phone connects at all plus the Porsche systems aren't able to communicate.
The sports chrono compass/clock on the dash turns on when I shut the car down, turns off when I turn the car on to drive.
Unable to get Android Auto to connect/work.
It's not a great start to ownership. As it's currently damaged I can't even get it to Porsche to get the systems checked.
I thought regen didn’t operate for the first 500 miles or so while the actual brakes get properly bedded in? Only after that is regen in operation (and is apparently used for 90% of braking).I've managed only 250 miles since collection two weeks ago. That's mainly due to weather but also last Wednesday I hit some debris in the road on an unlit country lane and destroyed a front wheel/tyre and damaged the rear wheel. So I'm now waiting for insurance to book me in to get replacements.
That aside I'm having the following issues.
The app won't communicate with the car to heat/preheat
The regen system works about half the time
The bluetooth works about half the time - it's 50/50 if my phone connects at all plus the Porsche systems aren't able to communicate.
The sports chrono compass/clock on the dash turns on when I shut the car down, turns off when I turn the car on to drive.
Unable to get Android Auto to connect/work.
It's not a great start to ownership. As it's currently damaged I can't even get it to Porsche to get the systems checked.
Is Android Auto wireless or "wired only"? Have you tried it with a cable plugged in? The bluetooth and heat/preheat may all be related too I guess (comms issues with the phone.
Sports chrono sounds odd. Is there a way to "turn it off and on again"? Holding the power button down for 10secs maybe
Bad luck on the debris
Android Auto is wired. I connect the cable, get all the permissions, then nothing.
All these glitches are pointing to PCM issues by the looks of it.
The sports chrono I've tried few off/on cycles including getting out locking the car, getting back in - but it just doesn't reset.
It's frustrating, it's expecially frustrating given the cars value and the perception of brand quality. Yet here I am running around in the lease Mazda MX-30 we got in November with 3000 miles under it's belt that works perfectly and hasn't missed a beat.
I'll get it in to be repaired then give it a reasonable amount of time/miles/dealer visits to get working as it should. If it doesn't it'll be gone. I just have a really short fuse with stuff like this. It's not a Dacia Duster. It's a premium brand vehicle.
Ken Figenus said:
Hints in CAPS:
The old app no longer works, it directs you to the new one - which isn't able to send instructions to my car.21ATS said:
I'm having the following issues.
The app won't communicate with the car to heat/preheat - TRY VIA A PC TO SEE https://my.porsche.com/ . CLICK THE CAR AND SCRIOLL TO E-CONTROL. TRY ALSO PORSCHE CONNECT (THE OLD SOON TO BE DISCONTINUED SOLID APP) IF YOU ARE ON THE NEW MY PORSCHE ONE
The regen system works about half the time - IT SHOULDN'T REALLY WORK UNLESS YOU HAVE OVER ABOUT 300 MILES ON THE CAR - CAR DOES NOT INDICATE THIS. YOU CAN THEN GET THE GREEN BAR TO ABOUT 9PM BEFORE THE PHYSICAL BRAKES COME ON.
The sports chrono compass/clock on the dash turns on when I shut the car down, turns off when I turn the car on to drive. ROTATE CLOCK 180 DEGREES TO TRY ;-)
Unable to get Android Auto to connect/work. HAS TO BE WIRED - WORKS FINE ON MY S20 - ENSURE EVERYTHING IS ENABLED ON PHONE - PERMISSIONS ETC
The app won't communicate with the car to heat/preheat - TRY VIA A PC TO SEE https://my.porsche.com/ . CLICK THE CAR AND SCRIOLL TO E-CONTROL. TRY ALSO PORSCHE CONNECT (THE OLD SOON TO BE DISCONTINUED SOLID APP) IF YOU ARE ON THE NEW MY PORSCHE ONE
The regen system works about half the time - IT SHOULDN'T REALLY WORK UNLESS YOU HAVE OVER ABOUT 300 MILES ON THE CAR - CAR DOES NOT INDICATE THIS. YOU CAN THEN GET THE GREEN BAR TO ABOUT 9PM BEFORE THE PHYSICAL BRAKES COME ON.
The sports chrono compass/clock on the dash turns on when I shut the car down, turns off when I turn the car on to drive. ROTATE CLOCK 180 DEGREES TO TRY ;-)
Unable to get Android Auto to connect/work. HAS TO BE WIRED - WORKS FINE ON MY S20 - ENSURE EVERYTHING IS ENABLED ON PHONE - PERMISSIONS ETC
The regen may need to be given time - I'm okay with that.
I have the compass option. It has no power when the car is on - but it has power when I switch the car off.
I;m connecting to my phone via a cable, phone brings up permissions - PCM acknowledges it - then nothing. The icon doesn't appear on the PCM for me to be able to select it.
Edited by 21ATS on Saturday 19th February 12:59
So I've spent an hour sat in the car this afternoon getting familiar with all the settings. I've solved pretty much all the issues.
Android Auto, I've discovered (in my car anyhow) that this only connects on the lower USB socket in the centre console. I'm not sure if that's by design or not - but it's now working. The upper USB connects and the phone is clearly saying it's happy, but the car doesn't see it.
The Sport Chrono Compass, this had been disabled in the settings - It's buried in the screen settings and is a checkbox "disable compass". No idea how that was checked as I've never been there before - uncheck that box - it's now working.
I'll give it 500-1000 miles to see if the regen issue solves itself.
Now just need to get a new wheel and tyre and we're back on track.
Android Auto, I've discovered (in my car anyhow) that this only connects on the lower USB socket in the centre console. I'm not sure if that's by design or not - but it's now working. The upper USB connects and the phone is clearly saying it's happy, but the car doesn't see it.
The Sport Chrono Compass, this had been disabled in the settings - It's buried in the screen settings and is a checkbox "disable compass". No idea how that was checked as I've never been there before - uncheck that box - it's now working.
I'll give it 500-1000 miles to see if the regen issue solves itself.
Now just need to get a new wheel and tyre and we're back on track.
JamieUK said:
Is that the crayon interior?
I'm looking to put a deposit down in the next few weeks on a 4S CT. I have my current car until March 23 and the lead time suits me. Spec has evolved a lot but pretty certain on chalk leather - http://www.porsche-code.com/PNGGNQ80
I have a test drive booked for next Saturday in the regular Taycan, not sure what to expect - I'm going from a Cupra Ateca with not a massively high riding position but definitely above the hot hatches I've had prior to something quite a bit lower but wider and longer. Bit of a oo-er moment seeing the front wheel arches protruding whilst sat inside but I guess the size of the car is something you'd get used to? If it doesn't feel right I'm in the queue for the Macan EV when that becomes available but they're ten a penny on the road and like having cars that you don't see too often.
I went chalk beige full leather.I'm looking to put a deposit down in the next few weeks on a 4S CT. I have my current car until March 23 and the lead time suits me. Spec has evolved a lot but pretty certain on chalk leather - http://www.porsche-code.com/PNGGNQ80
I have a test drive booked for next Saturday in the regular Taycan, not sure what to expect - I'm going from a Cupra Ateca with not a massively high riding position but definitely above the hot hatches I've had prior to something quite a bit lower but wider and longer. Bit of a oo-er moment seeing the front wheel arches protruding whilst sat inside but I guess the size of the car is something you'd get used to? If it doesn't feel right I'm in the queue for the Macan EV when that becomes available but they're ten a penny on the road and like having cars that you don't see too often.
I’m not having a great deal of luck with the Taycan. I collected it on 5th February and so far I’ve managed 280 miles. In the short distance I have driven it, it is clearly a wonderful vehicle. One of the options I chose was the rear wheel steering and It handles in a way that a car of this size and weight simply shouldn’t. However I’m not likely to see it now for some time.
Last week I had a minor incident. I hit some debris that had been washed onto an unlit country lane, either by the weather or by a lorry clipping the bank. It was certainly a bit of a thump and gouged a section of the front wheel out, along with a bit of the sidewall of the tyre (which remained inflated).
The rear wheel got a bit of rash but no impact and no damage to the tyre. I drove it home, had a look at it and got irritated by the whole thing. Still it drove fine and I did a few local trips.
I thought about just ordering a new wheel/tyre and not bothering the insurance, however once I found out the wheels were £2,080 each and about £300 for a matching tyre, plus a refurb on the rear I figured I may as well claim. The car was collected and taken to a Porsche Approved Repairer.
Today I got the call about how long it will take to repair…and the Estimate. Oh yes, the Estimate.
The conversation when like this:-
You need an new front wheel and tyre, there’s a small scuff on the bumper which we will repair and a scuff on the front lower bumper cladding and wheel arch cladding which we simply replace.
As we’re not allowed to refurbish wheels here, we also have to replace the rear wheel, oh and Porsche insist if we’re replacing the wheel we replace the tyre.
In cases of impact damage of this nature it is uncertain what load has been sent through the suspension. As the suspension components are cast aluminium Porsche insist we replace them along with the air suspension strut on that corner.
Porsche also require us to replace the steering rack as it’s a sealed unit which isn’t able to be inspected or repaired. As we’re replacing the steering rack Porsche also require us to replace the steering column.
Porsche then specify we have to check the entire vehicle alignment on a jig as well as stress test the turret top mount for the air suspension strut.
As this is a specialist vehicle, we are only allowed to work on the car with a specially trained technician who has been on an extensive (and expensive) training course with Porsche. We only have one of them here and he’s pretty busy right now, not to mention we’re not sure how long the parts will take to arrive.
The estimate has been today sent to your Insurer, we’re expecting something between £17,000 to £18,000 which is mostly made up of parts.
They’re also completely wiped out of courtesy vehicles. So now I need a chat with the insurers about that – although I have other cars and I don’t really need one so I’m not overly bothered. There are others that genuinely need to be lent something.
So, don’t hit a pothole/curb in your Taycan, you’re unlikely to get it back for a while.
I will update progress as and when I hear.
Last week I had a minor incident. I hit some debris that had been washed onto an unlit country lane, either by the weather or by a lorry clipping the bank. It was certainly a bit of a thump and gouged a section of the front wheel out, along with a bit of the sidewall of the tyre (which remained inflated).
The rear wheel got a bit of rash but no impact and no damage to the tyre. I drove it home, had a look at it and got irritated by the whole thing. Still it drove fine and I did a few local trips.
I thought about just ordering a new wheel/tyre and not bothering the insurance, however once I found out the wheels were £2,080 each and about £300 for a matching tyre, plus a refurb on the rear I figured I may as well claim. The car was collected and taken to a Porsche Approved Repairer.
Today I got the call about how long it will take to repair…and the Estimate. Oh yes, the Estimate.
The conversation when like this:-
You need an new front wheel and tyre, there’s a small scuff on the bumper which we will repair and a scuff on the front lower bumper cladding and wheel arch cladding which we simply replace.
As we’re not allowed to refurbish wheels here, we also have to replace the rear wheel, oh and Porsche insist if we’re replacing the wheel we replace the tyre.
In cases of impact damage of this nature it is uncertain what load has been sent through the suspension. As the suspension components are cast aluminium Porsche insist we replace them along with the air suspension strut on that corner.
Porsche also require us to replace the steering rack as it’s a sealed unit which isn’t able to be inspected or repaired. As we’re replacing the steering rack Porsche also require us to replace the steering column.
Porsche then specify we have to check the entire vehicle alignment on a jig as well as stress test the turret top mount for the air suspension strut.
As this is a specialist vehicle, we are only allowed to work on the car with a specially trained technician who has been on an extensive (and expensive) training course with Porsche. We only have one of them here and he’s pretty busy right now, not to mention we’re not sure how long the parts will take to arrive.
The estimate has been today sent to your Insurer, we’re expecting something between £17,000 to £18,000 which is mostly made up of parts.
They’re also completely wiped out of courtesy vehicles. So now I need a chat with the insurers about that – although I have other cars and I don’t really need one so I’m not overly bothered. There are others that genuinely need to be lent something.
So, don’t hit a pothole/curb in your Taycan, you’re unlikely to get it back for a while.
I will update progress as and when I hear.
ds666 said:
21ATS - that sounds ridiculous .
I mentioned that my insurance co were expensive ( inc £1k excess for a windscreen )
I'm not entirely comfortable with it. I've been thinking about the whole situation whilst in the gym tonight and I'm going to call the Insurers tomorrow and ask If I can have the car inspected by Porsche for a second opinion.I mentioned that my insurance co were expensive ( inc £1k excess for a windscreen )
I'm bothered that a perfectly solid car is being dismantled unecessarily after less than 300 miles. If there's damage so be it, but my understanding is none of the parts show any damage at all, the replacement is entirely precautionary.
Edited by 21ATS on Wednesday 23 February 20:47
DMZ said:
Porsche are truly comedians. You hit some minor debris in an off road vehicle and it causes £17k of damage to the suspension? What’s it made out of? Chocolate?
This isn't Porsche, the car is currently at a "Porsche approved repairer". I just get a gut feeling there's a "gouge" taking place here and I'd like a second opinion from Porsche themselves.Called the insurers this morning and highlighted my concerns over this estimate and the potential unecessary work. The estimate has gone to one of their engineers for authorisation along with my comments.
The insurer is send me a copy of the estimate so I can speak to Porsche.
I have the right to a second opinion, but the issue with that is from whom exactly? as it appears Porsche don't have their own repair centres. The one for my area is the garage where the car is currently sat.
So I'm waiting to hear back from the insurers/engineers.
The insurer is send me a copy of the estimate so I can speak to Porsche.
I have the right to a second opinion, but the issue with that is from whom exactly? as it appears Porsche don't have their own repair centres. The one for my area is the garage where the car is currently sat.
So I'm waiting to hear back from the insurers/engineers.
ds666 said:
First proper run out in the car today . Blimey it’s quick !
Also there is almost no noise off the tyres which is a first .
Range was pretty good at “not being overtaken “motorway speeds . That second gear works well .
Regen now goes to 9oclock , but just on the brakes . Foot off regen isn’t brilliant but better at lower speed if in first instead of second
I am absolutely blown away by the car . I seriously , briefly , thought about emptying my garages.
I’m alright now after a lie down . I still need exhaust noise in my life.
Are you just pressing the regen button once or pressing and holding so it's in Auto regen?Also there is almost no noise off the tyres which is a first .
Range was pretty good at “not being overtaken “motorway speeds . That second gear works well .
Regen now goes to 9oclock , but just on the brakes . Foot off regen isn’t brilliant but better at lower speed if in first instead of second
I am absolutely blown away by the car . I seriously , briefly , thought about emptying my garages.
I’m alright now after a lie down . I still need exhaust noise in my life.
There's quite a difference between the two modes.
Update on my claim saga.
My car is still sat at the insurers authorised repairer whilst they argue what needs to be replaced and what doesn't.
After escalating this to a formal complaint the insurers have decided to appoint and independant inspection company to go and assess the damage/repair work required. That happens next Tuesday (8th March).
The bodyshop now can't back down or they lose face, so it's looking likely the car will be taken to another Porsche approved repair centre.
I can't see any of this being quick so it looks like I'll be without the car for at least a few months at this rate.
My car is still sat at the insurers authorised repairer whilst they argue what needs to be replaced and what doesn't.
After escalating this to a formal complaint the insurers have decided to appoint and independant inspection company to go and assess the damage/repair work required. That happens next Tuesday (8th March).
The bodyshop now can't back down or they lose face, so it's looking likely the car will be taken to another Porsche approved repair centre.
I can't see any of this being quick so it looks like I'll be without the car for at least a few months at this rate.
ds666 said:
That’s not good , sorry to hear . Do/will you get a Taycan in the meantime ?
I get nothing until work is approved and someone has something available. But I have other cars so it's not causing a problem.I chose not to pay a premium uplift for "like for like" courtesy cars.
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