Good news for Lotus cars
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Love him or hate him but Trump's given all and any ICE manufacturers a shot in the arm with this:
"It is the policy of the United States: to eliminate the “electric vehicle (EV) mandate” and promote true consumer choice, which is essential for economic growth and innovation, by removing regulatory barriers to motor vehicle access; by ensuring a level regulatory playing field for consumer choice in vehicles; by terminating, where appropriate, state emissions waivers that function to limit sales of gasoline-powered automobiles; and by considering the elimination of unfair subsidies and other ill-conceived government-imposed market distortions that favor EVs over other technologies and effectively mandate their purchase by individuals, private businesses, and government entities alike by rendering other types of vehicles unaffordable;"
Geely will no doubt be pleased that they can continue to sell the Emiras knowing the US is no longer cutting its own throats trying to follow the madness of a net-zero policy.
Oh - picture because you can never have too many pictures of these cars.
"It is the policy of the United States: to eliminate the “electric vehicle (EV) mandate” and promote true consumer choice, which is essential for economic growth and innovation, by removing regulatory barriers to motor vehicle access; by ensuring a level regulatory playing field for consumer choice in vehicles; by terminating, where appropriate, state emissions waivers that function to limit sales of gasoline-powered automobiles; and by considering the elimination of unfair subsidies and other ill-conceived government-imposed market distortions that favor EVs over other technologies and effectively mandate their purchase by individuals, private businesses, and government entities alike by rendering other types of vehicles unaffordable;"
Geely will no doubt be pleased that they can continue to sell the Emiras knowing the US is no longer cutting its own throats trying to follow the madness of a net-zero policy.
Oh - picture because you can never have too many pictures of these cars.
What have you been smoking? Trump is terrible news for Lotus, their whole product plan and investment is in EV. Emira is a halo product with a 5yr shelf life fast running out and its EV replacement has already had millions spent on it. The meat of the company is a massive EV factory in China FFS. They needed Trump like a hole in the head.
giveitfish said:
What have you been smoking? Trump is terrible news for Lotus, their whole product plan and investment is in EV. Emira is a halo product with a 5yr shelf life fast running out and its EV replacement has already had millions spent on it. The meat of the company is a massive EV factory in China FFS. They needed Trump like a hole in the head.
This.Lotus is mostly an EV company (and many others are moving towards this too). This is fine in itself but they are owned by a Chinese company and there are 100% tariffs on all cars from Chinese manufacturers which is killing their sales in the one of the world's largest markets.
The Emira is an absolutely miniscule seller in the US.
It's good that he is not forcing the EV mandate (other countries please take note) but bad for Lotus that he has such tariffs on Chinese car companies.
Johnson897210 said:
Great news, we need similar common sense in the UK starting with abolishing the insane virtue signalling zev mandate lunacy…
Unfortunately unlikely to happen while we have the equivalent of a student union in power….and specifically the bats
t crazy Ed Miliband in charge of energy ‘security’!!giveitfish said:
What have you been smoking? Trump is terrible news for Lotus, their whole product plan and investment is in EV. Emira is a halo product with a 5yr shelf life fast running out and its EV replacement has already had millions spent on it. The meat of the company is a massive EV factory in China FFS. They needed Trump like a hole in the head.
Maybe they'll re-think the plan to have the Emira be their last ICE car. But I hear what you say and I get it.jamesgareth said:
Maybe they'll re-think the plan to have the Emira be their last ICE car. But I hear what you say and I get it.
well if I were in charge at Geely, I would can the whole Norfolk shower of incompetents and the Emira. Then concentrate on designing and building my EV lineup in China. But what about the investment in the new factory in Norfolk that has worked so well? It's sunk cost, loses money and produces a product that damages the brand values. I'll sell the land for housing and mitigate the losses.BertBert said:
jamesgareth said:
Maybe they'll re-think the plan to have the Emira be their last ICE car. But I hear what you say and I get it.
well if I were in charge at Geely, I would can the whole Norfolk shower of incompetents and the Emira. Then concentrate on designing and building my EV lineup in China. But what about the investment in the new factory in Norfolk that has worked so well? It's sunk cost, loses money and produces a product that damages the brand values. I'll sell the land for housing and mitigate the losses.BertBert said:
well if I were in charge at Geely, I would can the whole Norfolk shower of incompetents and the Emira. Then concentrate on designing and building my EV lineup in China. But what about the investment in the new factory in Norfolk that has worked so well? It's sunk cost, loses money and produces a product that damages the brand values. I'll sell the land for housing and mitigate the losses.
The Emira is a product that damages the brand values? bks.Too little too late.
Most (all?) the main European brands have been developing EV replacements for the next generation of cars for years now. The Porsche 718 replacement is due to be officially announced this year and is all electric with the development essentially complete and ready for production. They can't start over with a new generation of ICE cars. Even Caterham have been throwing money into their EV car replacement.
I expect the Americans will just buy more domestic cars with big engines, and shun the European EV models (especially with the increased foreign import fees and taxes introduced by Trump).
Perhaps in 10 years time we'll see a vastly different set of vehicles on the road between the US and Europe. With their infrastructure, cheap gas, and larger scale of distances (a 4hr drive is a short trip for them) they were never really setup for EV cars like Europe.
Most (all?) the main European brands have been developing EV replacements for the next generation of cars for years now. The Porsche 718 replacement is due to be officially announced this year and is all electric with the development essentially complete and ready for production. They can't start over with a new generation of ICE cars. Even Caterham have been throwing money into their EV car replacement.
I expect the Americans will just buy more domestic cars with big engines, and shun the European EV models (especially with the increased foreign import fees and taxes introduced by Trump).
Perhaps in 10 years time we'll see a vastly different set of vehicles on the road between the US and Europe. With their infrastructure, cheap gas, and larger scale of distances (a 4hr drive is a short trip for them) they were never really setup for EV cars like Europe.
What's too little too late? Lotus have billions of dollars of money. If that's too little.... And their SUVs are amazing. There is absolutely nothing behind the curve from an EV standpoint for Lotus. I watched a YT video on Shenzen last night and the tech there, in China was mind blowing. Nice to see Lotus getting access to that.
Porsche is taking a huge risk. Everyday cars are for everyday people and everyday travel. EVs can work fine for this BUT sports cars are bought for drama, excitement etc and that's where EVs currently fall down. Porsche will be the first ones to test the market and, if I were any other manufacturer, I'd be watching very closely to see how it gets on. I fully expect the journos to loose their minds over it and initially it to sell well (like the Taycan) but longer term I'm really not so sure. We've already seen demand tail off rapidly for supercar EVs.
Porsche is taking a huge risk. Everyday cars are for everyday people and everyday travel. EVs can work fine for this BUT sports cars are bought for drama, excitement etc and that's where EVs currently fall down. Porsche will be the first ones to test the market and, if I were any other manufacturer, I'd be watching very closely to see how it gets on. I fully expect the journos to loose their minds over it and initially it to sell well (like the Taycan) but longer term I'm really not so sure. We've already seen demand tail off rapidly for supercar EVs.
Perhaps you should watch this one...To be fair, the “bad news” about the Emira is restricted to limited numbers of people. The general public probably couldn’t name it without seeing a pic, they might have a vague memory of it being praised on Top Gear but they’d definitely say “wow” when they see one in the flesh.
On here especially pretty much all the Emira posts are from less than 10 people, and 90% of those posts are from you so you might be a tad biased
On here especially pretty much all the Emira posts are from less than 10 people, and 90% of those posts are from you so you might be a tad biased
There's no doubt that Lotus scored some own-goals bringing the Emira to market but I agree that almost all the flak has been restricted to the forums and a handful of people with axes to grind and often not owners. Short term residuals are taking a hit which has upset the flippers but the majority of us who bought for keeps are very happy and thoroughly enjoying the ownership experience. I still think the Emira will become a future classic.
Lotus sold thousands of Emiras. However forums seem to have 'a lot' of problems reported and yet the number of these issues posted on forums is miniscule compared to the number of cars sold. Don't think other forums aren't full of similar ones either.
One person complains about something, a few hundred people read the post and all of a sudden a few hundred people are saying 'Have you heard about the xxxx problem with Emiras?'
This is the first 'full modern production car' that Lotus has made really. It's a quantum leap ahead of the Evora. It's not going to suddenly have the reliability of a Toyota but quality niggles are being ironed out and overall it's an incredible car.
Just remember that even Porsche had to stop owners of one of their 911s from driving them because the wheels might have come off!
One person complains about something, a few hundred people read the post and all of a sudden a few hundred people are saying 'Have you heard about the xxxx problem with Emiras?'
This is the first 'full modern production car' that Lotus has made really. It's a quantum leap ahead of the Evora. It's not going to suddenly have the reliability of a Toyota but quality niggles are being ironed out and overall it's an incredible car.
Just remember that even Porsche had to stop owners of one of their 911s from driving them because the wheels might have come off!
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