Which PH'ers have placed a deposit on an Emira?

Which PH'ers have placed a deposit on an Emira?

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av185

19,087 posts

133 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Redline have only had one flipped Emira which was advertised for months some time back.

otolith

58,399 posts

210 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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hajaba123 said:
Agreed, drove one at Birmingham, the Emira felt quite boring to me (compared to my Exige)
It’s meant to be more mass market. Something has to give.

Zarco

18,375 posts

215 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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AlexNJ89 said:
Zarco said:
How could a dealer not take delivery of a car they ordered?
Same as us. I'm not talking about main dealers, I mean specialist dealers.
I'm with you now.

PorkInsider

6,026 posts

147 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Zarco said:
AlexNJ89 said:
Zarco said:
How could a dealer not take delivery of a car they ordered?
Same as us. I'm not talking about main dealers, I mean specialist dealers.
I'm with you now.
Maybe they're in a stickier position than regular punters if they've ordered as a business?

As a private individual there is always the option to cancel right up to completion of the final checkout process, but I assumed that was probably related to distance selling regs which don't apply to B2B sales?

BertBert

19,512 posts

217 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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PorkInsider said:
Maybe they're in a stickier position than regular punters if they've ordered as a business?

As a private individual there is always the option to cancel right up to completion of the final checkout process, but I assumed that was probably related to distance selling regs which don't apply to B2B sales?
I don't think that's right. There's no legal right to do as you say for an individual (cancel right up to the final checkout process). Those words certainly don't appear in consumer law. What does appear is the so called distance selling regs which allow cancellation up to 14 days after delivery.

However, Lotus decided to enshrine stuff in their contract. That basically says that the payment of the deposit doesn't commit them to sell you a car, or commit you to buy a car. Nothing to do with statute.

Now to my presumptions. On the basis that Lotus decided not to have a dealer model where the dealers bought cars at a discount to list to sell at list, they won't have sold them to any businesses. What will have happened is that the principals in the businesses you mention ordered personal cars to sell on through their businesses.

fridaypassion

9,147 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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Dealer advertised cars will belong to customers and be on commission sale. Unless someone's taken an absolute bath to the tune of 10/15k they will not be dealer stock no dealer is buying new Emiras to flip. This bus sailed in January this year.

bcr5784

7,174 posts

151 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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otolith said:
It’s meant to be more mass market. Something has to give.
True - but I would have expected it to be as good a drive as the Evora. It's not as if the Evora was in any way hardcore.

otolith

58,399 posts

210 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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bcr5784 said:
True - but I would have expected it to be as good a drive as the Evora. It's not as if the Evora was in any way hardcore.
The main thing that I find makes Porsches boring is their competence at pretending to be ordinary cars. Lotus needed to get themselves a bit of that to compete for mainstream buyers. I expected the new car to be a bit more ordinary to live with by design, and that to make it a bit less of an experience to use.

The Wookie

14,031 posts

234 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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bcr5784 said:
otolith said:
It’s meant to be more mass market. Something has to give.
True - but I would have expected it to be as good a drive as the Evora. It's not as if the Evora was in any way hardcore.
It’s a couple of geo tweaks away from being pretty much indistinguishable from an Evora which the best compliment I can give a car.

For some reason it seems like they sacrificed a bit of the liveliness and linearity of input for straight line stability and benign balance. Perhaps they were worried that Porsche buyers would be unaccustomed to the wheel pulling about in their hands

PorkInsider

6,026 posts

147 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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BertBert said:
PorkInsider said:
Maybe they're in a stickier position than regular punters if they've ordered as a business?

As a private individual there is always the option to cancel right up to completion of the final checkout process, but I assumed that was probably related to distance selling regs which don't apply to B2B sales?
I don't think that's right. There's no legal right to do as you say for an individual (cancel right up to the final checkout process). Those words certainly don't appear in consumer law. What does appear is the so called distance selling regs which allow cancellation up to 14 days after delivery.

However, Lotus decided to enshrine stuff in their contract. That basically says that the payment of the deposit doesn't commit them to sell you a car, or commit you to buy a car. Nothing to do with statute.

Now to my presumptions. On the basis that Lotus decided not to have a dealer model where the dealers bought cars at a discount to list to sell at list, they won't have sold them to any businesses. What will have happened is that the principals in the businesses you mention ordered personal cars to sell on through their businesses.
When I said "always the option to cancel right up to the final checkout", I was talking about what Lotus are allowing and that I "assumed" the reason they were offering it was related to the distance selling regs. I.e. easier to let you cancel than insist you take it then end up having to accept it back anyway.

Probably nothing to do with any of that, of course...

BertBert

19,512 posts

217 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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PorkInsider said:
When I said "always the option to cancel right up to the final checkout", I was talking about what Lotus are allowing and that I "assumed" the reason they were offering it was related to the distance selling regs. I.e. easier to let you cancel than insist you take it then end up having to accept it back anyway.

Probably nothing to do with any of that, of course...
You could well be right, but distance selling regs are still in force so they've not really gained anything on that front. Who knows!

PorkInsider

6,026 posts

147 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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BertBert said:
PorkInsider said:
When I said "always the option to cancel right up to the final checkout", I was talking about what Lotus are allowing and that I "assumed" the reason they were offering it was related to the distance selling regs. I.e. easier to let you cancel than insist you take it then end up having to accept it back anyway.

Probably nothing to do with any of that, of course...
You could well be right, but distance selling regs are still in force so they've not really gained anything on that front. Who knows!
I suppose they gain a bit by having an new unregistered car to move on, rather than a now secondhand one?

But as you say, who knows!

fridaypassion

9,147 posts

234 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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Distance regs don't apply to bespoke orders not sure if Lotus are aware of that!

Niponeoff

2,401 posts

33 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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fridaypassion said:
Distance regs don't apply to bespoke orders not sure if Lotus are aware of that!
Are options classed as bespoke?

Fair enough if they made a duck egg blue interior with a metallic biege and brown 2 tone paint job, but I don't think they're doing that?

fridaypassion

9,147 posts

234 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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Niponeoff said:
Are options classed as bespoke?

Fair enough if they made a duck egg blue interior with a metallic biege and brown 2 tone paint job, but I don't think they're doing that?
Interesting point. It's made to order I would have thought that makes it bespoke ie it's not stock it's produced to an individual spec.

If you ordered a kids football team kit with the names printed on for example that is none returnable.

markiii

3,792 posts

200 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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The Wookie said:
It’s a couple of geo tweaks away from being pretty much indistinguishable from an Evora which the best compliment I can give a car.

For some reason it seems like they sacrificed a bit of the liveliness and linearity of input for straight line stability and benign balance. Perhaps they were worried that Porsche buyers would be unaccustomed to the wheel pulling about in their hands
Nothing a decent go won't fix

The Wookie

14,031 posts

234 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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markiii said:
Nothing a decent go won't fix
Already done it on mine!

Niponeoff

2,401 posts

33 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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fridaypassion said:
Niponeoff said:
Are options classed as bespoke?

Fair enough if they made a duck egg blue interior with a metallic biege and brown 2 tone paint job, but I don't think they're doing that?
Interesting point. It's made to order I would have thought that makes it bespoke ie it's not stock it's produced to an individual spec.

If you ordered a kids football team kit with the names printed on for example that is none returnable.
So what's a stock Emira then?

fridaypassion

9,147 posts

234 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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A stock Emira? Well that would be subject to normal distance sales. The stock cars are still being managed via the factory and I guess could still be distance sold.

BertBert

19,512 posts

217 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Yes I assume that's the case. If you buy one of the V6s that have been made and touted to deposit holders, they bought one and had it delivered, that must be a distance sale.