New life 110 engine and gearbox map
Discussion
I can’t see it being horrendous for fuel economy, I believe the life stuff was pretty much standard mapping below 3krpm, so it’ll still do the impressive normal stuff before turning into a very amusing machine further up the Rev range. 
For those of us not on Insta/ Facebook - what’s been developed, I couldn’t see anything on the website? Has he solved the post-22 torque limiter in mapping?
I suspect David will read this - any chance of a ‘blog’ post/ mirror of Insta/Facebook updates on your website?
For those of us not on Insta/ Facebook - what’s been developed, I couldn’t see anything on the website? Has he solved the post-22 torque limiter in mapping?
I suspect David will read this - any chance of a ‘blog’ post/ mirror of Insta/Facebook updates on your website?
Website refers to new map - but doesn’t say loads about the background / what has changed / other points of note:
https://life110.co.uk/products/all-new-life110-300...
Life110 FB posts then refer to new map and fast pace of car including 1.24.9 lap of Goodwood (v rapid).
You can get a sense of lap time comparison on fastest laps.com or elsewhere if you google.
Goodwood lap here - tho obvs not sure how this performance breaks down between chassis / engine / driver - but still, v impressive for 300bhp road car:
https://youtu.be/XxAbxiKrpwI?feature=shared
I thought that there were gearbox limitations to more torque? Has Life got around this with the recalibration for the gearbox.
Looking at the map, whilst the torque is increased slightly at lower revs, it seems to swell noticeably from around three and a half? With my previous Golf R the torque curve more or less took off at 2000 and stayed flat up to 6.
I guess that could be done with our engine, but isn't, because of the gearbox?
Looking at the map, whilst the torque is increased slightly at lower revs, it seems to swell noticeably from around three and a half? With my previous Golf R the torque curve more or less took off at 2000 and stayed flat up to 6.
I guess that could be done with our engine, but isn't, because of the gearbox?
Edited by kitcat7 on Monday 8th July 19:58
States 320HP and 400nm on his YouTube.
I would just be so worried the remap would brick the gearbox and then Renault say warranty void.
Seems to be going great though.
I have XP8 pads on my A110S, on the stock disc and even though I bedded in as instructed and have done track days, of which they are great but the brake pedal feel is somewhat grunchy/rough, which I suspect is deposits on the disc. Anyone else found this with XP8 pads?
Thinking maybe I need to change the disc also?
I would just be so worried the remap would brick the gearbox and then Renault say warranty void.
Seems to be going great though.
I have XP8 pads on my A110S, on the stock disc and even though I bedded in as instructed and have done track days, of which they are great but the brake pedal feel is somewhat grunchy/rough, which I suspect is deposits on the disc. Anyone else found this with XP8 pads?
Thinking maybe I need to change the disc also?
kitcat7 said:
I thought that there were gearbox limitations to more torque? Has Life got around this with the recalibration for the gearbox.
Looking at the map, whilst the torque is increased slightly at lower revs, it seems to swell noticeably from around three and a half? With my previous Golf R the torque curve more or less took off at 2000 and stayed flat up to 6.
I guess that could be done with our engine, but isn't, because of the gearbox?
I believe the 'gearbox' limitation is more a 'clutch slip' limitation - Dave was quite open about discovering slip early on in his tuning, even though it happened in very particular circumstances (something like flat out between 3rd and 4th after some time lapping if memory serves). Obvs the clutches are not a service item on our cars (certainly not a desirable one) so it's something to be avoided - which his maps now do.Looking at the map, whilst the torque is increased slightly at lower revs, it seems to swell noticeably from around three and a half? With my previous Golf R the torque curve more or less took off at 2000 and stayed flat up to 6.
I guess that could be done with our engine, but isn't, because of the gearbox?
I imagine if that wasn't there we could indeed boost them from 2000, but apparently the swell with rpm is quite complimentary to the A110 character.
Gibbo205 said:
States 320HP and 400nm on his YouTube.
I would just be so worried the remap would brick the gearbox and then Renault say warranty void.
Seems to be going great though.
I have XP8 pads on my A110S, on the stock disc and even though I bedded in as instructed and have done track days, of which they are great but the brake pedal feel is somewhat grunchy/rough, which I suspect is deposits on the disc. Anyone else found this with XP8 pads?
Thinking maybe I need to change the disc also?
The standard discs are crap, Andrew. I have XP8 and Tarox discs all round. There weren't too many other disc options around when I got these (and that also fit on the rear, as most don't) and although they are heavier than the standard ones they are significantly better, last longer and are cheaper. I'll be on the run out on Saturday if you want more information.I would just be so worried the remap would brick the gearbox and then Renault say warranty void.
Seems to be going great though.
I have XP8 pads on my A110S, on the stock disc and even though I bedded in as instructed and have done track days, of which they are great but the brake pedal feel is somewhat grunchy/rough, which I suspect is deposits on the disc. Anyone else found this with XP8 pads?
Thinking maybe I need to change the disc also?
Gibbo205 said:
States 320HP and 400nm on his YouTube.
I would just be so worried the remap would brick the gearbox and then Renault say warranty void.
Seems to be going great though.
I have XP8 pads on my A110S, on the stock disc and even though I bedded in as instructed and have done track days, of which they are great but the brake pedal feel is somewhat grunchy/rough, which I suspect is deposits on the disc. Anyone else found this with XP8 pads?
Thinking maybe I need to change the disc also?
I have the same feel with the XP8 pads with standard discs, but they are effective. I’ll swap to Girodisc discs at the next pad swap. I would just be so worried the remap would brick the gearbox and then Renault say warranty void.
Seems to be going great though.
I have XP8 pads on my A110S, on the stock disc and even though I bedded in as instructed and have done track days, of which they are great but the brake pedal feel is somewhat grunchy/rough, which I suspect is deposits on the disc. Anyone else found this with XP8 pads?
Thinking maybe I need to change the disc also?
If I remember rightly, pookie recommends upgrade pads front and rear, but just an upgrade for front discs. Rear discs are ok for the job. Rear pads he thinks his fast road are ok (as opposed to full on track pad).
I went with the front girodiscs (now sold by life110) as I saw the Hype motorsport owner post that they run girodiscs on their track rental a110s and all good for 18+ months of running (if I remember correctly - it’s on the FB group somewhere). Hard to see a better endorsement.
I went with the front girodiscs (now sold by life110) as I saw the Hype motorsport owner post that they run girodiscs on their track rental a110s and all good for 18+ months of running (if I remember correctly - it’s on the FB group somewhere). Hard to see a better endorsement.
five50 said:
If I remember rightly, pookie recommends upgrade pads front and rear, but just an upgrade for front discs. Rear discs are ok for the job. Rear pads he thinks his fast road are ok (as opposed to full on track pad).
I went with the front girodiscs (now sold by life110) as I saw the Hype motorsport owner post that they run girodiscs on their track rental a110s and all good for 18+ months of running (if I remember correctly - it’s on the FB group somewhere). Hard to see a better endorsement.
On the front I've stuck with Tarox/XP8. On the rear I've used OEM/OEM, Tarox/XP8 and OEM/Life110. I went with the front girodiscs (now sold by life110) as I saw the Hype motorsport owner post that they run girodiscs on their track rental a110s and all good for 18+ months of running (if I remember correctly - it’s on the FB group somewhere). Hard to see a better endorsement.
Tarox/XP8 is the best combination, followed by OEM/Life110. OEM/OEM was some distance behind. I swapped from the Tarox/XP8 to OEM/Life110 setup as the XP8 can be quite squealy on the rear and the noise annoyed me. However, the Life110 pads are incredibly dusty and after just 1 day at Anglesey both the disc and pad became grooved/rippled. I've gone back to Tarox/XP8.
Do bear in mind that anything lasts longer than the OEM setup on track.
On Girodiscs, I would have got them rather than the Tarox if they'd been available at the time but they only fit the rear and my OCD won't go for a single-axle setup. Having used the Tarox for nearly 2 years and coming up to 20 track days though, I think they are excellent for the money (about £355 per axle). The best reasonable setup that I know about is the GR3 ones from MP-Rezeau - they are 330mm and AP Racing based. A friend has them on his A110R is is mightily impressed with them
Thanks WWW.
Not sure 100pc what you are referring to as Life spec - I think his braking offer has evolved a bit to where he currently is - apologies if it’s me.
If someone really wants to go AP discs it may be quite a bit cheaper to find a UK based solution possibly off the shelf disc and bell on the correct size and width / bell height vs paying MP Reseaux pricing and import duty back to the UK for something that originated here in the first place - tho the MPR discs do look nice.
Anyway, if you could just get the latest Life engine and box map uploaded and report back, we would be much obliged :-)
Not sure 100pc what you are referring to as Life spec - I think his braking offer has evolved a bit to where he currently is - apologies if it’s me.
If someone really wants to go AP discs it may be quite a bit cheaper to find a UK based solution possibly off the shelf disc and bell on the correct size and width / bell height vs paying MP Reseaux pricing and import duty back to the UK for something that originated here in the first place - tho the MPR discs do look nice.
Anyway, if you could just get the latest Life engine and box map uploaded and report back, we would be much obliged :-)
Edited by five50 on Wednesday 10th July 11:32
five50 said:
Thanks WWW.
Not sure 100pc what is considered Life spec - I think his braking offer has evolved a bit - apologies if it’s me.
If someone really wants to go AP discs it may be quite a bit cheaper to find a UK based solution possibly off the shelf disc and bell on the correct size and width / bell height vs paying MP Reseaux pricing and import duty - tho their discs do look nice.
The Life110 Performance Road pads are EBC Bluestuff NDX I believeNot sure 100pc what is considered Life spec - I think his braking offer has evolved a bit - apologies if it’s me.
If someone really wants to go AP discs it may be quite a bit cheaper to find a UK based solution possibly off the shelf disc and bell on the correct size and width / bell height vs paying MP Reseaux pricing and import duty - tho their discs do look nice.
Regarding the new map, this probably takes the car to roughly where the early cars can be mapped to. The later cars had the ECUs locked down tighter, and without additional software the gearbox ECU couldn't be mapped to increase the torque over what the S model had. For many tuners, there wasn't the demand to justify the expense in the software but it appears that TRS have now (as can others, such as K-tech).
As to where you go, it's all down to preference. I think wherever you go, the numbers are all broadly the same but the difference is in how it's delivered. I'll be going down the Life110 remap route at some point
As to where you go, it's all down to preference. I think wherever you go, the numbers are all broadly the same but the difference is in how it's delivered. I'll be going down the Life110 remap route at some point
worldwidewebs said:
On the front I've stuck with Tarox/XP8. On the rear I've used OEM/OEM, Tarox/XP8 and OEM/Life110.
Tarox/XP8 is the best combination, followed by OEM/Life110. OEM/OEM was some distance behind. I swapped from the Tarox/XP8 to OEM/Life110 setup as the XP8 can be quite squealy on the rear and the noise annoyed me. However, the Life110 pads are incredibly dusty and after just 1 day at Anglesey both the disc and pad became grooved/rippled. I've gone back to Tarox/XP8.
Do bear in mind that anything lasts longer than the OEM setup on track.
On Girodiscs, I would have got them rather than the Tarox if they'd been available at the time but they only fit the rear and my OCD won't go for a single-axle setup. Having used the Tarox for nearly 2 years and coming up to 20 track days though, I think they are excellent for the money (about £355 per axle). The best reasonable setup that I know about is the GR3 ones from MP-Rezeau - they are 330mm and AP Racing based. A friend has them on his A110R is is mightily impressed with them
I've got the 'small' discs with Life110 pads and after one track have an annoying vibration, as you say the Life110 pads are very dusty. I've just ordered a 320mm front 2 piece upgrade kit from Reyland Motorsport. I need to decide what pads to use, it's a daily and used all year round, what are the XP8 pads like when its cold and wet?Tarox/XP8 is the best combination, followed by OEM/Life110. OEM/OEM was some distance behind. I swapped from the Tarox/XP8 to OEM/Life110 setup as the XP8 can be quite squealy on the rear and the noise annoyed me. However, the Life110 pads are incredibly dusty and after just 1 day at Anglesey both the disc and pad became grooved/rippled. I've gone back to Tarox/XP8.
Do bear in mind that anything lasts longer than the OEM setup on track.
On Girodiscs, I would have got them rather than the Tarox if they'd been available at the time but they only fit the rear and my OCD won't go for a single-axle setup. Having used the Tarox for nearly 2 years and coming up to 20 track days though, I think they are excellent for the money (about £355 per axle). The best reasonable setup that I know about is the GR3 ones from MP-Rezeau - they are 330mm and AP Racing based. A friend has them on his A110R is is mightily impressed with them
Cheekyweekesy said:
I've got the 'small' discs with Life110 pads and after one track have an annoying vibration, as you say the Life110 pads are very dusty. I've just ordered a 320mm front 2 piece upgrade kit from Reyland Motorsport. I need to decide what pads to use, it's a daily and used all year round, what are the XP8 pads like when its cold and wet?
XP8 are perfectly fine when cold or wet but I think they're overkill for the road in all honesty. five50 said:
Thanks WWW.
Not sure 100pc what you are referring to as Life spec - I think his braking offer has evolved a bit to where he currently is - apologies if it’s me.
If someone really wants to go AP discs it may be quite a bit cheaper to find a UK based solution possibly off the shelf disc and bell on the correct size and width / bell height vs paying MP Reseaux pricing and import duty back to the UK for something that originated here in the first place - tho the MPR discs do look nice.
Reyland Motorsport do an AP Racing option. 330x28 CG, bolted kit with AP 4.95KG rotors for £1075Not sure 100pc what you are referring to as Life spec - I think his braking offer has evolved a bit to where he currently is - apologies if it’s me.
If someone really wants to go AP discs it may be quite a bit cheaper to find a UK based solution possibly off the shelf disc and bell on the correct size and width / bell height vs paying MP Reseaux pricing and import duty back to the UK for something that originated here in the first place - tho the MPR discs do look nice.
Edited by five50 on Wednesday 10th July 11:32
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