Car in today for final tuning @K-Tec
Discussion
neil-g8km6 said:
five50 said:
How does the gearbox map impact the engine output?
I don't know, not my area of expertise. It's super snappy now, as good as any PDK I've driven.
!!) I do worry about increased gearbox temps causing issues. We did a very tough 45min stint in the Pyrenees last year and even in the stock car I could see temps rising at the end, crucially though the car never missed a beat and I just wonder if it would have been as reliable with an aftermarket map ?Given how thorough Life110 are it's interesting that they chose not to amend the gearbox map ?
Hi there Simon, I live in the west midlands but do brave the Yorkshire roads when visiting parents. You're welcome to check out the car, p.m me.
Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
neil-g8km6 said:
Hi there Simon, I live in the west midlands but do brave the Yorkshire roads when visiting parents. You're welcome to check out the car, p.m me.
Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
Cheers Neil, very useful, yeah I know David and Matt via Life110 Springs and Bilsteins like you. I've also had 3 Renaultsport's over the years and am well aware of K-Tec albeit I have never used them. Nothing against TRS tuning at all but the K-Tec link with Renault makes a huge amount of sense, if they were local they would be servicing my car for sure. Does the gearbox map work in all settings, i.e. speed of changes, or is it more aggressive as you jump from normal to sport to track ? Sorry for all the queries, I've never really mapped an auto before so wasn't aware of all the work providers are doing with the gearbox at the same time. I'm assuming it helps manage clutch slip also, noting that say TRS limit torque low down to help with this. Be fab to see your car at some point if in the area, I will PM you, thanks for the offer Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
Simon Owen said:
Cheers Neil, very useful, yeah I know David and Matt via Life110 Springs and Bilsteins like you. I've also had 3 Renaultsport's over the years and am well aware of K-Tec albeit I have never used them. Nothing against TRS tuning at all but the K-Tec link with Renault makes a huge amount of sense, if they were local they would be servicing my car for sure. Does the gearbox map work in all settings, i.e. speed of changes, or is it more aggressive as you jump from normal to sport to track ? Sorry for all the queries, I've never really mapped an auto before so wasn't aware of all the work providers are doing with the gearbox at the same time. I'm assuming it helps manage clutch slip also, noting that say TRS limit torque low down to help with this. Be fab to see your car at some point if in the area, I will PM you, thanks for the offer
Hi Simon the gear change speed appears to be the same in all modes, I tend to drive in sport+manual unless in traffic, then it's normal& auto for dawdling.neil-g8km6 said:
Hi there Simon, I live in the west midlands but do brave the Yorkshire roads when visiting parents. You're welcome to check out the car, p.m me.
Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
I was the gent who sat in with you at Donington, I collect mine next Saturday.Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
But for those wondering the TCU map is very good and I could tell difference from passenger seat immediately, having owned a GT3 in past the Alpine with TCU map was easily as quick on both up and down shifts whilst remaining very smooth. Very impressive and I’d say probably more beneficial than a engine map.
Gibbo205 said:
I was the gent who sat in with you at Donington, I collect mine next Saturday.
But for those wondering the TCU map is very good and I could tell difference from passenger seat immediately, having owned a GT3 in past the Alpine with TCU map was easily as quick on both up and down shifts whilst remaining very smooth. Very impressive and I’d say probably more beneficial than a engine map.
Great to hear from you and hope you enjoy your Alpine. Looking forward to meeting, seeing your new purchase in the future. I'm at Bedford on the 29th March, keep in touch. But for those wondering the TCU map is very good and I could tell difference from passenger seat immediately, having owned a GT3 in past the Alpine with TCU map was easily as quick on both up and down shifts whilst remaining very smooth. Very impressive and I’d say probably more beneficial than a engine map.
Simon Owen said:
Given how thorough Life110 are it's interesting that they chose not to amend the gearbox map ?
It needs additional (expensive) software that they don't have. When I spoke with TRS about it they said that they just don't get the volume of these cars to justify the cost.I've decided to get my car mapped by TRS/Life110, but there were a few factors that played into it. I'm at Spires next Saturday getting my new AST dampers fitted and TRS are able to sort me out at the same time. As K-tec are only open Mon-Fri it would have meant a day off work (self employed) so there was a cost/time element to it. I also remember TRS spent quite a bit of time 'bleeding' the torque in and I feel more comfortable with this approach, although I do appreciate that K-tec could easily do this too. I suppose it comes back to the bit about being comfortable with what you're going to end up with. I may well end up going down the K-tec route at some point so, like you, it would be good to experience one of their mapped cars.
Neil - didn't you originally have the TRS/Life110 map?
Gibbo205 said:
neil-g8km6 said:
Hi there Simon, I live in the west midlands but do brave the Yorkshire roads when visiting parents. You're welcome to check out the car, p.m me.
Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
I was the gent who sat in with you at Donington, I collect mine next Saturday.Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
But for those wondering the TCU map is very good and I could tell difference from passenger seat immediately, having owned a GT3 in past the Alpine with TCU map was easily as quick on both up and down shifts whilst remaining very smooth. Very impressive and I’d say probably more beneficial than a engine map.
I'll add this post to the Tuning thread, to maintain a compilation of all related tuning aspects.
M.
I had my A110S remapped by K-Tec in Dec, both engine and TCU
Definitely more eager throughout the rev range and with a chunk more low end torque.
Gearchanges are also much quicker as already stated, works well in auto and Normal, manual in Sport / Track mode.
Where it does not seem happy is auto in Sport but thats not a combination I drive with anyway
Definitely more eager throughout the rev range and with a chunk more low end torque.
Gearchanges are also much quicker as already stated, works well in auto and Normal, manual in Sport / Track mode.
Where it does not seem happy is auto in Sport but thats not a combination I drive with anyway
Edited by Andy665 on Friday 1st March 13:43
Andy665 said:
I had my A110S remapped by K-Tec in Dec, both engine and TCU
Definitely more eager throughout the rev range and with a chunk more low end torque.
Gearchanges are also much quicker as already stated, works well in auto and Normal, manual in Sport / Track mode.
Where it does not seem happy is auto in Sport but thats not a combination I drive with anyway
This is a great thread hearing real owners experiences, interesting comments ref ‘does not seem happy’ in auto/sport, it’s these kind of glitches that really put me off, simply just not as resolved as stock ? That said I 100% agree I never really use auto sport as a combination either.Definitely more eager throughout the rev range and with a chunk more low end torque.
Gearchanges are also much quicker as already stated, works well in auto and Normal, manual in Sport / Track mode.
Where it does not seem happy is auto in Sport but thats not a combination I drive with anyway
Edited by Andy665 on Friday 1st March 13:43
worldwidewebs said:
Simon Owen said:
Given how thorough Life110 are it's interesting that they chose not to amend the gearbox map ?
It needs additional (expensive) software that they don't have. When I spoke with TRS about it they said that they just don't get the volume of these cars to justify the cost.I've decided to get my car mapped by TRS/Life110, but there were a few factors that played into it. I'm at Spires next Saturday getting my new AST dampers fitted and TRS are able to sort me out at the same time. As K-tec are only open Mon-Fri it would have meant a day off work (self employed) so there was a cost/time element to it. I also remember TRS spent quite a bit of time 'bleeding' the torque in and I feel more comfortable with this approach, although I do appreciate that K-tec could easily do this too. I suppose it comes back to the bit about being comfortable with what you're going to end up with. I may well end up going down the K-tec route at some point so, like you, it would be good to experience one of their mapped cars.
Neil - didn't you originally have the TRS/Life110 map?
Life110’s approach to torque really appeals and is quite easy to understand isn’t it, all makes sense. Having never done it I wasn’t so aware of all the TCU re-mapping these days, it would be good to understand a balanced view on if the amended TCU tunes are so much better why Alpine didn’t do that in the first place ? If I’m being really honest I don’t recall thinking the stock TCU map is that bad, although probably not quite as crisp as PDK.Did you go road or track AST ? And do you know how each compares to the Life110 spring rates ?
Hopefully we can sort that N Wales run soon, hope all goes well at Spires.
Simon Owen said:
Andy665 said:
I had my A110S remapped by K-Tec in Dec, both engine and TCU
Definitely more eager throughout the rev range and with a chunk more low end torque.
Gearchanges are also much quicker as already stated, works well in auto and Normal, manual in Sport / Track mode.
Where it does not seem happy is auto in Sport but thats not a combination I drive with anyway
This is a great thread hearing real owners experiences, interesting comments ref ‘does not seem happy’ in auto/sport, it’s these kind of glitches that really put me off, simply just not as resolved as stock ? That said I 100% agree I never really use auto sport as a combination either.Definitely more eager throughout the rev range and with a chunk more low end torque.
Gearchanges are also much quicker as already stated, works well in auto and Normal, manual in Sport / Track mode.
Where it does not seem happy is auto in Sport but thats not a combination I drive with anyway
Edited by Andy665 on Friday 1st March 13:43
Simon Owen said:
Did you go road or track AST ? And do you know how each compares to the Life110 spring rates ?
Hopefully we can sort that N Wales run soon, hope all goes well at Spires.
I've gone for the track ASTs but no idea how the spring rates compare I'm afraid. More than happy to meet up at some point so you can feel what it's like.Hopefully we can sort that N Wales run soon, hope all goes well at Spires.
Would love a decent run out at some point. As an aside, are you going to Combermere on Sunday?
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