All Things Tuning Upgrade
Discussion
A thread to capture all ideas, queries, and updates on how / where / with whom to tune your A110 - whatever model or HP it has. But probably particularly relevant to pre-facelift year models i.e. MY2017 to MY 2021.
Perhaps an idea to first capture the most respected Tuning companies known for the A110.
Let me kick off with:
Perhaps an idea to first capture the most respected Tuning companies known for the A110.
Let me kick off with:
- Life110
- Litchfield
I have a question to those who have tuned their cars for extra HP and torque e.g. via LIfe110 or another tuner.
Regarding the HP and toque figures shown on the telemetrics panel (and on the front gauges when in ''Sport' mode); do these now indicate the higher HP and torque performance of the tuned car? Or do the maximum HP and Nm values and graphics remain static - i.e. as if the car is still on 248 HP and 320 Nm ?
Has anyone noticed a change in the display readouts?
M.
Regarding the HP and toque figures shown on the telemetrics panel (and on the front gauges when in ''Sport' mode); do these now indicate the higher HP and torque performance of the tuned car? Or do the maximum HP and Nm values and graphics remain static - i.e. as if the car is still on 248 HP and 320 Nm ?
Has anyone noticed a change in the display readouts?
M.
Meonstoke said:
I have a question to those who have tuned their cars for extra HP and torque e.g. via LIfe110 or another tuner.
Regarding the HP and toque figures shown on the telemetrics panel (and on the front gauges when in ''Sport' mode); do these now indicate the higher HP and torque performance of the tuned car? Or do the maximum HP and Nm values and graphics remain static - i.e. as if the car is still on 248 HP and 320 Nm ?
Has anyone noticed a change in the display readouts?
M.
I don't really know , PEs seem to dyno at 340nm, but mine never indicates above the nominal 320nm. I suspect the algorithm showing power and torque is very crude , so I wouldn't take much notice of it whatever it says. (Does anyone consider it useful - rather than just a gimmick? )Regarding the HP and toque figures shown on the telemetrics panel (and on the front gauges when in ''Sport' mode); do these now indicate the higher HP and torque performance of the tuned car? Or do the maximum HP and Nm values and graphics remain static - i.e. as if the car is still on 248 HP and 320 Nm ?
Has anyone noticed a change in the display readouts?
M.
Meonstoke said:
I have a question to those who have tuned their cars for extra HP and torque e.g. via LIfe110 or another tuner.
Regarding the HP and toque figures shown on the telemetrics panel (and on the front gauges when in ''Sport' mode); do these now indicate the higher HP and torque performance of the tuned car? Or do the maximum HP and Nm values and graphics remain static - i.e. as if the car is still on 248 HP and 320 Nm ?
Has anyone noticed a change in the display readouts?
M.
I'm pretty sure mine now shows 300hp since the upgrade from 250 done by Life110/TRS. It's in storage now so I'm relying on memory - but I'm 99% sure it does.Regarding the HP and toque figures shown on the telemetrics panel (and on the front gauges when in ''Sport' mode); do these now indicate the higher HP and torque performance of the tuned car? Or do the maximum HP and Nm values and graphics remain static - i.e. as if the car is still on 248 HP and 320 Nm ?
Has anyone noticed a change in the display readouts?
M.
Captainian said:
I'm pretty sure mine now shows 300hp since the upgrade from 250 done by Life110/TRS. It's in storage now so I'm relying on memory - but I'm 99% sure it does.
It's a good question and one that has occurred to me on numerous occasions - even though mine isn't tuned. Generally though, if it is anywhere near high enough to be pertinent I am generally paying far more attention to the road ahead. 
For all things Tuning I'd Add:
Zunsport Grilles https://www.zunsport.com/en/product/product?produc... Good quality and very useful in keeping large debris and leaves out of your radiators. Recommended.
K-Tec Racing https://k-tecracing.com/collections/alpine-a110
And in Europe
Evox Performance (if you are feeling really flush) https://www.evox-performance.com/en/a110-ii/1079-f...
Elia Tuning (will ship to UK) https://shop.elia-ag.de/epages/ELIA_Tuning___Desig...
MC Concept (will ship to UK) https://www.mc-concept.fr/preparateurs/elia/elia/r...
Thanks guys for your feedback, appreciated. And thanks Colin for your additional links on Tuners.
Ref: my query; it's indeed largely irrelevant from the POV that when driving the focus is on the road and not what's happening on the displays. However it would be good to know if the displays are indeed an easy giveaway that the car has been chipped - which could be a good or not so good thing depending on who is reading the data i.e. future new owner vs Alpine dealer....
Ref: my query; it's indeed largely irrelevant from the POV that when driving the focus is on the road and not what's happening on the displays. However it would be good to know if the displays are indeed an easy giveaway that the car has been chipped - which could be a good or not so good thing depending on who is reading the data i.e. future new owner vs Alpine dealer....
Meonstoke said:
I have a question to those who have tuned their cars for extra HP and torque e.g. via LIfe110 or another tuner.
Regarding the HP and toque figures shown on the telemetrics panel (and on the front gauges when in ''Sport' mode); do these now indicate the higher HP and torque performance of the tuned car? Or do the maximum HP and Nm values and graphics remain static - i.e. as if the car is still on 248 HP and 320 Nm ?
Has anyone noticed a change in the display readouts?
M.
No difference in my P.E. and that's getting a passenger to look and not myself when driving.Regarding the HP and toque figures shown on the telemetrics panel (and on the front gauges when in ''Sport' mode); do these now indicate the higher HP and torque performance of the tuned car? Or do the maximum HP and Nm values and graphics remain static - i.e. as if the car is still on 248 HP and 320 Nm ?
Has anyone noticed a change in the display readouts?
M.
IMHO a total waste of time anyway!
Out of curiosity I played around with the Telemetric gauge display options, and indeed there is one default display called "Engine Curves" which shows two graphs side by side and it also shows where on each of the curves you happen to be as you drive. One graph for Torque in which it states 320Nm as a maximum and the other graph is for Power in which it states 250 Hp as a maximum (unit used for ENG / UK language option).
So, if you've had the Life110 tune then just by looking at those Telemetric graphs you'll be able to see immediately if the software has changed the maximum values or not.
M.
So, if you've had the Life110 tune then just by looking at those Telemetric graphs you'll be able to see immediately if the software has changed the maximum values or not.
M.
domrusty said:
Just checked mine - it still displays 250 hp as peak, so it’s unaware of the Life110 remap, which doesn’t surprise me in the slightest… but worth knowing!
Thanks Dom, good to know. Most likely the graphs are static pre-programmed curves which faithfully follow the curve lines not matter what. I doubt you'll see any deviation from the programmed curves when on the move, and it'll be nigh on impossible to adjust the telemetrics software to show an actual dynamic representation. The good news is your dealer won't be able to detect the upgraded Nm and HP values either via the telemetrics...! worldwidewebs said:
At least with the early cars, the telemetrics can be re-programmed. RSMConcept in France can do this. Check out the before and after of temperature and power output
Ah! That's interesting to know. I'll check them out. I guess that means that tuned cars could receive this telemetrics update to reflect their new power and torque figures. I wonder if this would also apply to the HP and Nm figures shown in the drivers console when in "Sport" mode? fossett said:
Here's a selection from my bookmarks
https://www.mp-rezeau.fr
https://www.waldow-performance.de
https://www.mecaparts.com
https://bda-racing.com
https://ravageautomobile.com
https://dgm-boutique.fr
https://www.metalcustom.fr
https://rstune.alsace
https://www.satoruworks.com
Thanks Fossett Handy!https://www.mp-rezeau.fr
https://www.waldow-performance.de
https://www.mecaparts.com
https://bda-racing.com
https://ravageautomobile.com
https://dgm-boutique.fr
https://www.metalcustom.fr
https://rstune.alsace
https://www.satoruworks.com
"Gibbo205 said:
neil-g8km6 said:
Hi there Simon, I live in the west midlands but do brave the Yorkshire roads when visiting parents. You're welcome to check out the car, p.m me.
Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
I was the gent who sat in with you at Donington, I collect mine next Saturday.
But for those wondering the TCU map is very good and I could tell difference from passenger seat immediately, having owned a GT3 in past the Alpine with TCU map was easily as quick on both up and down shifts whilst remaining very smooth. Very impressive and I’d say probably more beneficial than a engine map."
Interesting discussion, thanks for sharing experiences, it all helps!
I'll add this post to the Tuning thread, to maintain a compilation of all related tuning aspects.
neil-g8km6 said:
Hi there Simon, I live in the west midlands but do brave the Yorkshire roads when visiting parents. You're welcome to check out the car, p.m me.
Life is run by David Pook, a very knowledgeable and respected dynamics engineer having headed up JLR SVO division, doubt there's not much he doesn't know about his subject. My car runs Life variable rate springs and Bilstiens and various other Life parts and originally had the remap. The remap comes from TRS tuning who happened to be next door to Spires, owned by Matt a top suspension set up specialist.
After many recommendations, I now use K-Tec racing in Wolverhampton for servicing, they have raced and tuned Megans and other Renault's for a long time. As the Alpine engine etc is taken from the Megan RS and after many discussions with Floyd at K-Tec I decided to make use of their expertise.
I had the gearbox maped before an outing to Donington with the lotus club last Monday.
Super quick changes, a great improvement especially changing down the gears, before it always felt lethargic. I had comments throughout the day as to how it sounded on the changes, especially very sharp changing down. A Ferrari owner and prospective Alpine purchaser had a ride with me and was very impressed with the gearbox, he commented on the EDC oil temp remaining so cool given the amount of work it was doing. I have programmed the Telemetry to show all the temps including the EDC gearbox and clutch.
My next track day is towards the end of march at Bedford, that should be a good test of the overall set-up.
I'll be experimenting with vents in the rear diffuser under tray to help with cooling as per the Satoru works later in the year.
I was the gent who sat in with you at Donington, I collect mine next Saturday.
But for those wondering the TCU map is very good and I could tell difference from passenger seat immediately, having owned a GT3 in past the Alpine with TCU map was easily as quick on both up and down shifts whilst remaining very smooth. Very impressive and I’d say probably more beneficial than a engine map."
Interesting discussion, thanks for sharing experiences, it all helps!
I'll add this post to the Tuning thread, to maintain a compilation of all related tuning aspects.
I have a tuning question for folks more knowledgeable than me:
Looking at Life110's recommended engine tune set-up which matches Alpine's GT/S/R model limits of 300PS and 340Nm; I would have thought there is negligible to zero risk of the extra 6.25% increase in torque becoming an issue. If there is, then Alpine were already sailing very close to the wind by launching a 252PS car with 320Nm - and I just cannot see any manufacturer going with such low tolerance limits. So, a tune to 340Nm should be perfectly fine, all day long I would have thought. Similarly with the 19% increase in power; the common view being the Megane Sport engine can take that and much more. The weakest link remains the Getrag DCT gearbox and its torque limit which is well documented.
My question is: given the above, and the need to be cautious with the gearbox, is it not riskier re-mapping the transmission than it is tuning the engine to deliver an extra 20Nm? My point being, are there not very good reasons why Alpine mapped the gear changes in the way they have? Alpine will surely be quite aware of the PDK performance comparisons; and if they could easily improve the A110's transmission performance they would surely do so - and especially for the S and R variants. Such a transmission tune for the R would certainly make perfect sense given its raison d'etre. But Alpine hasn't further tweaked the transmission CU for their sportier models - so why is that I wonder?
And I guess I have a 2nd query which hopefully will be explained in due course: I am intrigued to know how the LIfe110 engine tune differs c.f. the Alpine 300PS engine in terms of how the power and torque is delivered. No doubt David Pook will be examining this now that he has both engine types in his stable.
Looking at Life110's recommended engine tune set-up which matches Alpine's GT/S/R model limits of 300PS and 340Nm; I would have thought there is negligible to zero risk of the extra 6.25% increase in torque becoming an issue. If there is, then Alpine were already sailing very close to the wind by launching a 252PS car with 320Nm - and I just cannot see any manufacturer going with such low tolerance limits. So, a tune to 340Nm should be perfectly fine, all day long I would have thought. Similarly with the 19% increase in power; the common view being the Megane Sport engine can take that and much more. The weakest link remains the Getrag DCT gearbox and its torque limit which is well documented.
My question is: given the above, and the need to be cautious with the gearbox, is it not riskier re-mapping the transmission than it is tuning the engine to deliver an extra 20Nm? My point being, are there not very good reasons why Alpine mapped the gear changes in the way they have? Alpine will surely be quite aware of the PDK performance comparisons; and if they could easily improve the A110's transmission performance they would surely do so - and especially for the S and R variants. Such a transmission tune for the R would certainly make perfect sense given its raison d'etre. But Alpine hasn't further tweaked the transmission CU for their sportier models - so why is that I wonder?
And I guess I have a 2nd query which hopefully will be explained in due course: I am intrigued to know how the LIfe110 engine tune differs c.f. the Alpine 300PS engine in terms of how the power and torque is delivered. No doubt David Pook will be examining this now that he has both engine types in his stable.
Edited by Meonstoke on Friday 1st March 13:46
My take on the gearbox tuning issue would be.. Any additional torque could create more slip in the clutches during the gear change, leading to hot clutches and hot gearbox oil. The clutch pressures would be calibrated to match the original engine tune and after retuning the engine for increased torque it would make complete sense to re-tune (increasing pressures) the gearbox. The Alpine appears to be designed to be more smooth than aggressive and the gearbox standard / smooth calibration backs this up. I fully agree that the R version should have had a sharper gear change and more aggressive character but it seams Alpine missed the point a little here. I certainly intend to investigate this issue and will be very interested to hear how others get on.
Peter.R said:
My take on the gearbox tuning issue would be.. Any additional torque could create more slip in the clutches during the gear change, leading to hot clutches and hot gearbox oil. The clutch pressures would be calibrated to match the original engine tune and after retuning the engine for increased torque it would make complete sense to re-tune (increasing pressures) the gearbox. The Alpine appears to be designed to be more smooth than aggressive and the gearbox standard / smooth calibration backs this up. I fully agree that the R version should have had a sharper gear change and more aggressive character but it seams Alpine missed the point a little here. I certainly intend to investigate this issue and will be very interested to hear how others get on.
Hi Peter, makes sense, thanks for explaining. I guess we'd need a reputable firm such as K-Tec Racing to evaluate (and archive) what the precise clutch pressure settings are for 252PS models versus 300PS factory models; along with the factory torque curve settings. In that way the factory pressure settings and torque curves for 300PS can be applied to 252PS models which receive an after-market tune. This is the approach I'd take to ensure the transmission is protected from "too aggressive" torque and gear changing "enhancements".... If, as a result, the gear changes also became smoother and faster, than great! But that, for me, would be a secondary consideration. Gassing Station | Alpine | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff