Stuck in gear and broken down!

Stuck in gear and broken down!

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bernie_eccle

Original Poster:

296 posts

253 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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A have just had a call from my friend who has an Alpine 110S. He has broken down in a precarious position and can't get neutral. Any tips on how to engage neutral so that he can move the car until the recovery truck come?

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

254 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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timbo999

1,350 posts

262 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Eh? The Alpine doesn't have a gear lever?

Other than pressing the N(eutral) button I'm not sure there is a lot you can do.

bernie_eccle

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296 posts

253 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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TTmonkey said:
Amazing! Thank you. I have just relayed this information. He is presently up a hill in rural Perthshire with a complete strangers phone. I have just called him with this info. Thank you.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

254 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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bernie_eccle said:
Amazing! Thank you. I have just relayed this information. He is presently up a hill in rural Perthshire with a complete strangers phone. I have just called him with this info. Thank you.
My google may have failed him. Suspect that’s not for the alpine, sorry if the case.

TTmonkey

20,911 posts

254 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Has he tried pulling both paddle shifts at the same time? On Porsche it dumps gearbox into neutral.

Mammasaid

4,321 posts

104 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Whaleblue

381 posts

95 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Top paragraph in the middle seems to be the method required.

bernie_eccle

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296 posts

253 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Thank you. He is away back down the hill to see if the previous suggestions work. RAC have also called back but aren't inspiring confidence!

CliveJ7

65 posts

70 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Sorry to hear that!
As far as I can see from the handbook, he should do the following:

With the engine off, doors closed and gearbox in P:

1) TURN ON THE IGNITION
2) SHORT PRESS ON N WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY PRESSING THE BRAKE PEDAL.
3) IT WILL STAY IN NEUTRAL UNTIL DOOR IS OPENED

Handbrake can be switched off in the usual way while pressing brake pedal.

Remember the breakdown truck should be a FLATBED, apparently!

This should work OK - hope it helps!
Best of luck.


Whaleblue

381 posts

95 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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bernie_eccle said:
Thank you. He is away back down the hill to see if the previous suggestions work. RAC have also called back but aren't inspiring confidence!
Send best wishes from a fellow owner.

bernie_eccle

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296 posts

253 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Good news, that has allowed him to select neutral and he has been able to move the car to a safe position while he awaits the RAC.
Thank you again everyone for the prompt responses.

xondat

235 posts

57 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Doors closed is the big thing! It's usually likely doors are open when you're broken down... confused


Hope the recovery and repair goes well.

Hoofty

712 posts

197 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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I believe later cars revert to P once the door is opened, as described here.

This possibly came in on 22MY - my 21MY can be left in N even after I've got out. I guess this means the car wants somebody to stay in it while being winched onto a flatbed.

Glad OP's friend is sorted.

a110au

292 posts

58 months

Sunday 2nd July 2023
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as someone who has experienced this, I really recommend all owners practice how to..

a) turn off the car without it engaging park brake
b) force select neutral
c) turn on the ignition without it auto-selecting P or park brake

and do it with or without the drivers door closed/open so you can remember how this blocks certain things.

Even sitting here I can't quite remember and it really would help to print out whatever unusual mode selects from the manual on one card for when your car has broken down from a fuel pump issue..
Because basically there might come a time when you have cannot start the car for whatever reason but still have 12v power and need to MOVE it with the help of someone. You don't want to be struggling with it in gear, or on park brake, or with a steering lock in that situation. Panic means apparently simple things become forgotten like "door closed" or "foot on brake while..."

jont-

121 posts

96 months

Sunday 2nd July 2023
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a110au said:
as someone who has experienced this, I really recommend all owners practice how to..

a) turn off the car without it engaging park brake
b) force select neutral
c) turn on the ignition without it auto-selecting P or park brake

and do it with or without the drivers door closed/open so you can remember how this blocks certain things.

Even sitting here I can't quite remember and it really would help to print out whatever unusual mode selects from the manual on one card for when your car has broken down from a fuel pump issue..
Because basically there might come a time when you have cannot start the car for whatever reason but still have 12v power and need to MOVE it with the help of someone. You don't want to be struggling with it in gear, or on park brake, or with a steering lock in that situation. Panic means apparently simple things become forgotten like "door closed" or "foot on brake while..."
There's also the "turn the ignition off" because that is opening and shutting the door - but you might not want to sit waiting for a flatbed with the ignition on slowly killing the battery.

Would be much simpler if the cars had a normal ignition key and a clutch biggrin

Andrew-b54kj

30 posts

73 months

Sunday 2nd July 2023
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This is my car and fairly sure its the fuel pump reading all the posts about it.

Luckily I was doing about 5mph just died and dash flashing all sorts and engine hazard warning.

Thanks to those who helped with info getting it out of gear, car was blocking road not a nice experience that .

Its a 21 plate A110s.

jont-

121 posts

96 months

Monday 3rd July 2023
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Good luck getting it sorted. You may also want to consider submitting a safety concern report to DVSA: https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-recalls-and-faults/repo...

The more of us that do it, the more likely it is pressure will be put on Alpine to perform a recall.

/edit to add - please also update the google sheet where we're tracking known fails: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yh3tTKBsh6...

Edited by jont- on Monday 3rd July 09:32

Andrew-b54kj

30 posts

73 months

Monday 3rd July 2023
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jont- said:
Good luck getting it sorted. You may also want to consider submitting a safety concern report to DVSA: https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-recalls-and-faults/repo...

The more of us that do it, the more likely it is pressure will be put on Alpine to perform a recall.

/edit to add - please also update the google sheet where we're tracking known fails: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yh3tTKBsh6...

Edited by jont- on Monday 3rd July 09:32
Car just made it to dealers this afternoon still waiting the diagnosis, will let you know.

Andrew-b54kj

30 posts

73 months

Tuesday 11th July 2023
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Faulty fuel pump confirmed and they are saying its on back order frown
What kind of time scale are we talking here how long have people waited for there fuel pump?